What does 10 Scholarship a Year Mean?

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cibai

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The penalty is 10 scholarships per year for three years. I keep seeing this reported as 30 scholarships. It seems to me though that it is just 10 scholarships for the duration of 3 years. Which is correct?
 
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30 football scholarships, spread out over 3 seasons, or 10 per season.

They have 15 schollies per year to give out, so when this is done and if nobody bails, they'll have about 65 scholarship players. Realistically, they'll have more like 55-60.
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thats 30 less kids to be on the team...depth will catch up..plus not all the top players would wanna go there with the postseason ban...

it adds up
 
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BigPapaVol said:
30 football scholarships, spread out over 3 seasons, or 10 per season.

They have 15 schollies per year to give out, so when this is done and if nobody bails, they'll have about 65 scholarship players. Realistically, they'll have more like 55-60.
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Yep. 60 will likely be the high end.
 
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10x3 years. Couple this with academic casualties, athletes that quit, and injuries and USC is gonna be hurting for years to come. Especially in the latter years because of the recent scholly limit the AA implemented making it harder to reach their maximum limit. OTOH USC usually has a butt load of talent that never sees the field.
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tim said:
10x3 years. Couple this with academic casualties, athletes that quit, and injuries and USC is gonna be hurting for years to come. Especially in the latter years because of the recent scholly limit the AA implemented making it harder to reach their maximum limit. OTOH USC usually has a butt load of talent that never sees the field.
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It's all about depth.
 
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Sorry about the singular in the title. Ok, so 30 total, but how does that get implemented with the way that backcounting and transfers and all that mess works today? Each year, does the NCAA just take 10 off the total number of scholarship players that USC is allowed, so that year one they can only have 75, year two 65, year three 55? Or, are they only allowed to sign 15 for the next 3 years?
 
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cibai said:
Sorry about the singular in the title. Ok, so 30 total, but how does that get implemented with the way that backcounting and transfers and all that mess works today? Each year, does the NCAA just take 10 off the total number of scholarship players that USC is allowed, so that year one they can only have 75, year two 65, year three 55? Or, are they only allowed to sign 15 for the next 3 years?
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Only allowed 15 in each of the next 3 classes. The taper you showed is essentially the outcome.
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BigPapaVol said:
I'd say it's also about breadth of talent. A few stars and borderline walkons won't get it done either, as we showed last year.
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Do people really think they are going to bring in 15 five star players every year without cheating? On the heels of lying to everyone in their number 1 recruiting class from last year?
 
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Lexvol said:
Do people really think they are going to bring in 15 five star players every year without cheating? On the heels of lying to everyone in their number 1 recruiting class from last year?
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Seriously. What do those kids tell future recruits? We were screwed by Kiff, but this martyrdom thing is pretty sweet?
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Instead of having 4 possible NFL qb's on the team they get 2. They simply can't afford to waste schollys on players they want to stockpile
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tim said:
Instead of having 4 possible NFL qb's on the team they get 2. They simply can't afford to waste schollys on players they want to stockpile
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They can't afford injuries or any attrition at all, and those will both count for at least 5 player losses a year. That is a conservative estimate.
 
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cibai said:
Wow, that's pretty huge then, because transfers and such will take that number even lower.
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Yes. At the end, wouldn't be shocked to see them with 50 scholarship players. The dig out from that will be slow and ugly. They have a better situation than we do today, but it will be painful.
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Intersting to see how they sell this or HIDE these facts from recruits. Its simply more than the loss of schollys its how many players the team will have on scholarship in 3 to 4 years. consider the fact that about a dozen or so scholly players quit/kicked off UT under Kiffin and you can get the picture
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garrett apparently told a bunch of boosters that the ncaa sanctions were just envy because everyone wants to be a trojan.
 
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Don't forget that there is a maximum limit of 75 scholarships during each year of the 3-yr period. This will primarily affect the first year and therafter attrition will start taking effect. LK can manipulate the impact by how he uses redshirts and could soften the blow somewhat at the deep end of the spiral but I doubt that he does that. I think he'll try to win early and blame the downward slide on the sanctions - i.e. "not my fault". Hence the appeal to delay the process. He'll never admit to his role and culpability as OC during the 2005 season [height of the Bush scandal] in regards to the lack of institutional control.

LK tends to recruit a certain type of highly impressionable player that apparently buys into his Kool-Aid without question. Listening to some of them speak, they are ignoring the consequences of the penalties imposed on USC and the historical effect that reduced scholarships have on a football program. They are about to get a dose of reality.

USC is pulling out all the stops with their videos - Pete Carrol denials, VP of Administration denials/statement of appeals, and, of course, famous alumni like Ronnie Lott and Keyshawn Johnson urging players and recruits on ESPN to stay the course. They will be probably be able to get walk-ons that traditionally PC awarded scholarships to come on board and stay the course. A lot also depends on how successful they are in keeping together the 2011 class assembled thus far.

LA is the kingdom of media moguls and altered states.
 
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It's 30, ten per year. These are the kind of sanctions that set Miami/Alabama back 10 years.
 
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Lexvol said:
Do people really think they are going to bring in 15 five star players every year without cheating?
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But, let's assume they do just that.

Even if Kiff brings in 15 five-star players, you still have to factor in the likelihood of busts. We've seen it a million times. For every five-star kid that lives up to the hype, there's another who flops and has a pedestrian career.

When you sign 15, you have little to no margin for error. Every recruit needs to contribute.

The impact of these scholarship reductions will definitely show on the field.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
30 football scholarships, spread out over 3 seasons, or 10 per season.

They have 15 schollies per year to give out, so when this is done and if nobody bails, they'll have about 65 scholarship players. Realistically, they'll have more like 55-60.
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They can only have a max of 75 scholorship players on the roster for the next 3 years.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
But, let's assume they do just that.

Even if Kiff brings in 15 five-star players, you still have to factor in the likelihood of busts. We've seen it a million times. For every five-star kid that lives up to the hype, there's another who flops and has a pedestrian career.

When you sign 15, you have little to no margin for error. Every recruit needs to contribute.

The impact of these scholarship reductions will definitely show on the field.
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SC's had an unbelievable number of 5 star busts over the years. they'll have to be near perfect to not have a major drop off in talent.
 
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