What does 10 Scholarship a Year Mean?

#27
#27
BigPapaVol said:
Yes. At the end, wouldn't be shocked to see them with 50 scholarship players. The dig out from that will be slow and ugly. They have a better situation than we do today, but it will be painful.
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Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
 
#28
#28
theutvolunteers said:
Alabama sanctions were in 02 I believe. That would put it around five or six years for them.
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With most of those years under the guidance of one of the five worst head coaches in SEC history. Alabama's problems had much more to do with Mike Shula than they did with reduced rosters.
 
#29
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hatvol96 said:
Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
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You think there are that many legacies a year worth USC scholarships? I think this is a strong assumption.
 
#30
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chavisut said:
You think there are that many legacies a year worth USC scholarships? I think this is a strong assumption.
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You'd be surprised what portion of their roster has family members who have played at USC or are alums. You think Matt Leinart wouldn't have paid his own way if Carroll had been short on scholarships? Miami found a number of creative ways to cushion the blow of the reductions. USC will do the same.
 
#31
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hatvol96 said:
You'd be surprised what portion of their roster has family members who have played at USC or are alums. You think Matt Leinart wouldn't have paid his own way if Carroll had been short on scholarships? Miami found a number of creative ways to cushion the blow of the reductions. USC will do the same.
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I do not doubt that.
 
#32
#32
Legacies tend to be able to afford schollies. If I've got 2 schools recruiting me I go to the free one, maybe that's just me
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#33
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hatvol96 said:
With most of those years under the guidance of one of the five worst head coaches in SEC history. Alabama's problems had much more to do with Mike Shula than they did with reduced rosters.
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I know I am interested to see how well Kiffin can hold the program together over the next 2-3 years. Thinking back about watching Mike Shula on the Alabama sidelines does make me laugh.
 
#34
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hatvol96 said:
Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
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Relying on legacies to keep the program afloat is a pretty weak substitute. You assume an awful lot about the ability of USC (including your infatuation with some supposed greatness of Kiffin) to return to their level five years ago without realizing the curtain has been pulled to show the real story. That story includes massive cheating, steroid use (Cushing and others implicated) and a morally bankrupt coach in Pete Carroll. Kiffin idolizes Carroll, but won't be able to pull off the Carroll shenanegans, no matter how many legacies are dying to play for a crippled program.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
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Two years.

15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) in football who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athleteÂ’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received...

15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation.
 
#38
#38
tim said:
10x3 years. Couple this with academic casualties, athletes that quit, and injuries and USC is gonna be hurting for years to come. Especially in the latter years because of the recent scholly limit the AA implemented making it harder to reach their maximum limit. OTOH USC usually has a butt load of talent that never sees the field.
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If youre talking about the 25 per class limit, I THINK thats purely an SEC restriction, not an NCAA one. As I posted in another thread....

Its going to hurt them some....but people are acting like this is the death penalty.

Heres a look at thier recruiting since 2005

Year Class rank # of recruits
2005 #1 20
2006 #1 26
2007 #2 18
2008 #8 19
2009 #4 19
2010 #1 20

As you can see, USC usually signs smaller classes anyway. Now thats not to say that this scholarship restriction wont hurt (mostly with position depth) but they will still get thier share of high caliber players. They just have less margin for missing on players who turn out to be busts, but if its one thing most people would agree on, player evaluation is one of that staffs strengths.
 
#39
#39
I can tell you what 21 over 3 gets you - losses to NIU, ULM, LaTech, etc. :)

On the otherhand, it's not the death penalty and you definitely can recover.
 
#40
#40
tim said:
Intersting to see how they sell this or HIDE these facts from recruits. Its simply more than the loss of schollys its how many players the team will have on scholarship in 3 to 4 years. consider the fact that about a dozen or so scholly players quit/kicked off UT under Kiffin and you can get the picture
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Excellent points.

I'm guessing the slug will soften his supposed hard line that he's been taking with current players and further highlight what a selfish, hypocritical low life he is.

He will now justify and begin to do the "stuff" he said that he didn't like but had to do at Tennessee. His parents should be arrested.
 
#41
#41
Give 'em Six said:
Don't forget that there is a maximum limit of 75 scholarships during each year of the 3-yr period. This will primarily affect the first year and therafter attrition will start taking effect. LK can manipulate the impact by how he uses redshirts and could soften the blow somewhat at the deep end of the spiral but I doubt that he does that. I think he'll try to win early and blame the downward slide on the sanctions - i.e. "not my fault".

LK tends to recruit a certain type of highly impressionable player that apparently buys into his Kool-Aid without question. Listening to some of them speak, they are ignoring the consequences of the penalties imposed on USC and the historical effect that reduced scholarships have on a football program. They are about to get a dose of reality.
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I prefer to characterize many of those kids as overly selfish, vulnerable and impressionable which allows monte's kid to prey on their immature ideas about the world and believe the garbage he spews to feed their egos. He says anything to any kid to get what he wants and if that kid doesn't benefit him or unconditionally go along then they are discarded or ,worse yet, thrown under the bus.

Violate on, monte's kid.
 
#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
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Obviously, there are MANY that buy into the garbage that is monte's kid...MANY.

IMO, it is possible that usc will not fall that far.

However, any adversity or problems faced by that slug and his supporters are well deserved and will only allow him the stage to continue exhibiting what a true classless, low life he really is.

Violate on, troggan monkeys.
 
#43
#43
Incinigator said:
Obviously, there are MANY that buy into the garbage that is monte's kid...MANY.

IMO, it is possible that usc will not fall that far.

However, any adversity or problems faced by that slug and his supporters are well deserved and will only allow him the stage to continue exhibiting what a true classless, low life he really is.

Violate on, troggan monkeys.
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I love seeing the fans of the program that gave us Charlie Pell and Galen Hall being all sanctimonious.
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#44
#44
hatvol96 said:
I love seeing the fans of the program that gave us Charlie Pell and Galen Hall being all sanctimonious.
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Spoken like a true monte's kid supporter. Bring others down to your level, if you can.

They cheated and the Gators were deservedly punished. It was very disappointing but deserved. Great work assuming how I felt.

As a white man, I apologize for slavery in this country as well.

I love peabrain logic.

But my being sanctimonious is the only way to fit your argument. So... Violate on, monte's kid lovers.
 
#45
#45
hatvol96 said:
Don't be so sure their numbers will fall that far. Keep this in mind when forecasting where they end up after the sanctions. Few programs do a better job of recruiting legacies than SC. They are probably second only to Miami in the loyalty shown by their former players. Here's how that helps. If a player walks on for a year, then receives a scholarship, he doesn't count against the 15. Thus, if there are four or five sons, nephews and cousins of former Trojans a year who pay their own way for a year, those classes will be closer to 20 in reality. I'm 100% sure Kiffin & Co. are already playing the "be true to your school in tough times" card. I bet it works more often than people expect.
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Only someone posted it is in fact 2 years they have to pay thier own way before they can get a scholarship and it not count against thier total.
 
#48
#48
Incinigator said:
And the only way SOME believe monte's kid is anything but a low life slug.
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Keep telling yourself what a good guy your teary eyed, chest pain having piece of trash is. That'll make it all the more fun when he exposes himself for what he really is.
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#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
Keep telling yourself what a good guy your teary eyed, chest pain having piece of trash is. That'll make it all the more fun when he exposes himself for what he really is.
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You learned from monte's kid and you're very good.

Another lame attack on someone's health on an irrelevant topic that you brought up, not me, in order to deflect the real issue.

The slug would be very proud.
 
#50
#50
Incinigator said:
You learned from monte's kid and you're very good.

Another lame attack on someone's health on an irrelevant topic that you brought up, not me, in order to deflect the real issue.

The slug would be very proud.
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How is "I need to take care of my health and spend more time with my family. Oh wait, I just wanted to get some attention now that it's readily apparent Nick Saban is going to render me irrelevant" Urban doing now? Will he have more acid reflux when they are down 21-3 at halftime in Tuscaloosa?
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