What Factor has hurt UT Foorball more since 2000

#53
#53
(brg72 @ May 31 said:
Fulmers legal issues
Player Development
Assistant Coaches
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Fulmer's legal issues probably distracted him enough to where his total focus was not on the day-to-day training and how the players were being developed by the assistant coaches.

The Player Development and the Assistant Coaches go hand-in-hand.

Off the field problems occur at all the top programs. They are only considered a distraction by fans and the media when a program starts losing. I don't buy the argument that off-the-field issues by the players caused losses.

Whatever recipe that Fulmer cooked up leading up to 1998 worked. Part of Fulmer's M.O. is to let the assistants do the detail work. It became quite apparent that Jimmy Ray Stevens did not do a very good job. And under other circumstances and maybe even with a different head coach, Randy Sanders may have exceled. However, with Fulmer's hands off approach, it takes an OC like David Cutcliffe to make Fulmer's approach work.
 
#54
#54


What has hurt UT the most?

I think that it is not so much UT's stock declining as it is everyone else in the SECE rising. Florida is on the mend and hopes and expectations are high. Vandy comes off their best season in decades. Georgia seems headed in the right direction. South Carolina has Spurrier now and they are just plain going nuts over there.

While all the things identified by others on here are legitimate points and have an effect, its all relative. My point is, the prob lems UT is having right now could not come at a worse time because the other programs are on the way up and the UT dissapointments are, as a result, magnified that much more.

 
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(lawgator1 @ Jun 5 said:
What has hurt UT the most?

I think that it is not so much UT's stock declining as it is everyone else in the SECE rising. Florida is on the mend and hopes and expectations are high. Vandy comes off their best season in decades. Georgia seems headed in the right direction. South Carolina has Spurrier now and they are just plain going nuts over there.

While all the things identified by others on here are legitimate points and have an effect, its all relative. My point is, the prob lems UT is having right now could not come at a worse time because the other programs are on the way up and the UT dissapointments are, as a result, magnified that much more.
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LG, i get the point of your overall post, and agree with it....but saying Vandy had it's best season in Decades? Ok, they beat us, and still wound up 5-6 cause they couldn't be MTSU? which is more of an indictment on UT than anything else....and Georgia SEEMS to be headed in the right direction? 3 SEC E titles, and 2 SEC titles in 5 years, i think they're there, imo, they are the team to beat in teh SEC E.

but like i said, i get the idea of the post, and agree with you....we picked a bad time to go belly up (no pun intended!!!!), and it makes our woes look even worse as not only UGA and USC seem to be gettin better, but throw in the positive out look on the future at Bama, and recent success of LSU and Auburn, and you could argue that there are at least 5 other teams in the SEC right now in better shape than TN to make a title run this year. That's really assuming that TN and USC are on the same level...UGA, UF, LSU, Aub, look to be the top dogs right now. Bama may be close, if they can get answers at qb, USC may be close as well, w/spurrier, you never know. And then there's TN. where do we fit in right now? on paper and based on last year, we should be considered middle of the road at best. But i think everyone knows we have the potential to compete for an SEC title....so many questions, so much time before we get the answers.
 
#56
#56
(jakez4ut @ Jun 5 said:
LG, i get the point of your overall post, and agree with it....but saying Vandy had it's best season in Decades? Ok, they beat us, and still wound up 5-6 cause they couldn't be MTSU? which is more of an indictment on UT than anything else....and Georgia SEEMS to be headed in the right direction? 3 SEC E titles, and 2 SEC titles in 5 years, i think they're there, imo, they are the team to beat in teh SEC E.

but like i said, i get the idea of the post, and agree with you....we picked a bad time to go belly up (no pun intended!!!!), and it makes our woes look even worse as not only UGA and USC seem to be gettin better, but throw in the positive out look on the future at Bama, and recent success of LSU and Auburn, and you could argue that there are at least 5 other teams in the SEC right now in better shape than TN to make a title run this year. That's really assuming that TN and USC are on the same level...UGA, UF, LSU, Aub, look to be the top dogs right now. Bama may be close, if they can get answers at qb, USC may be close as well, w/spurrier, you never know. And then there's TN. where do we fit in right now? on paper and based on last year, we should be considered middle of the road at best. But i think everyone knows we have the potential to compete for an SEC title....so many questions, so much time before we get the answers.
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I really think right now based on what I read, see, and hear that UF is not in any shape to go title hunting this year. I may be proven wrong -- hope I am -- but the offensive line is just awful so far. Very inexperienced in a complicated system. With Florida's road schedule and the lack of a "go to" running back, I just think that the pressure on the passing game is going to be way too much for this team.

Hate to say it, but Florida coule be the UT of 2006 if they don't catch some breaks early.
 
#57
#57
Complacency.....

I think the evolution of the main teams in the SEC has occurred while UT has remained the same. New coaches and new styles have caused many teams to move on to a new level. Fulmer has kept the process here relatively the same. This is fine with the D, as seen in the results recently, but offensive production has suffered tremendously.

Now there will be a rebuttal of Cut being a conservative coach more than likely bringing the old system back or at least something closer to it. I think Cut being at Ole Miss, ND briefly, and on the outside looking in to evaluate UT from a neutral perspective has allowed him to rethink the old philosophy. I think he's seen the good and bad of the conference and the team. He brings a new perspective and the old wisdom that worked so well in the past. While there is a lot of dust to brush off and a few years to clean up, I think Cut is up to the task. I'm not expecting a turnaround in a year. There is a lot of bad discipline and mental issues to clean up. It will take at least a year to bring the guys back to zero before true improvement can occur.
 
#58
#58
LG - I would agree. But I would add that for more than just UF. I think the East as a whole could potentially be in this situation. While UGA has proven many wrong in the past, I think they can be added to this mix. Seeing how the Big Three could all be suffering this year, Spurrier could sneak in and pull out a division title. It's still pre-season and a lot can change. Mindsets can go either way, players suspended, etc. It will be a really interesting year for the East. I think Auburn and LSU will be fighting out the West.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Jun 5 said:
I really think right now based on what I read, see, and hear that UF is not in any shape to go title hunting this year. I may be proven wrong -- hope I am -- but the offensive line is just awful so far. Very inexperienced in a complicated system. With Florida's road schedule and the lack of a "go to" running back, I just think that the pressure on the passing game is going to be way too much for this team.

Hate to say it, but Florida coule be the UT of 2006 if they don't catch some breaks early.
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i don't know that UF will lose 6 games, but the schedule is tough....just on paper, right now, i'd say UF whould be 4-0 heading in to the Bama game. If Bama has no answer at qb yet, i'd like UF's chances against them too.

then it gets dicey. LSU, Auburn, Georgia back to back to back. can't see 'em losing all three, but could see 'em losing two of them. the only game after that is FSU.

UF based on the schedule only, i say 9-3, with losses against 3 of the following four: LSU, Auburn, UGA, FSU....(and i think they'll beat UGA....)

question then becomes, are wins over TN, Bama and UGA enough to keep gator fans happy?
 
#60
#60
(jakez4ut @ Jun 5 said:
i don't know that UF will lose 6 games, but the schedule is tough....just on paper, right now, i'd say UF whould be 4-0 heading in to the Bama game. If Bama has no answer at qb yet, i'd like UF's chances against them too.

then it gets dicey. LSU, Auburn, Georgia back to back to back. can't see 'em losing all three, but could see 'em losing two of them. the only game after that is FSU.

UF based on the schedule only, i say 9-3, with losses against 3 of the following four: LSU, Auburn, UGA, FSU....(and i think they'll beat UGA....)

question then becomes, are wins over TN, Bama and UGA enough to keep gator fans happy?
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Some would gripe. But I think the vast majority of Florida fans would love a 9-3 record. And if only 2 losses are SEC losses, there's a decent chance Florida would be in the SEC title game and that would make everyone thrilled, I think. Plus, I do sense that there is some realization setting in for Florida fans that national competitiveness is probably 2-3 years away pending development of Tebow. And we learned our lesson with impatience before so I'd say most Gators would be happy with 8 wins and a decent bowl game, with the team showing signs of progress in the Meyer system.

 
#61
#61
(lawgator1 @ Jun 5 said:
What has hurt UT the most?

I think that it is not so much UT's stock declining as it is everyone else in the SECE rising. Florida is on the mend and hopes and expectations are high. Vandy comes off their best season in decades. Georgia seems headed in the right direction. South Carolina has Spurrier now and they are just plain going nuts over there.

While all the things identified by others on here are legitimate points and have an effect, its all relative. My point is, the prob lems UT is having right now could not come at a worse time because the other programs are on the way up and the UT dissapointments are, as a result, magnified that much more.
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Comparing the SEC East to the late 90's, I'm not so sure that the SEC East is really that much better overall.

Both Florida and Tennessee had top 5 programs during the late 90's, with each winning 1 national championship each (Florida in '96 and Tennessee in '98). Georgia was 10-2 and 9-3 respectively in '97 and '98. Hal Mumme led Kentucky to bowl games in 1998 and 1999. South Carolina was 6-5 in '96 and 5-6 in '97 and actually won a bowl game at the conclusion of the 1994 season. The only poor team in the SEC East consistantly during the late 90's was Vanderbilt.... and even they had a 5-6 record in 1999 (same as last season).

Florida was 9-3 last season, but no where near the level of teams they had in the 90's. Despite Tennessee's 5-6 record last season, they are only 1 season removed from competing in the SEC-Championship Game. Georgia's 10-3 of last season is not much better than their records of the late '90s...... they just won the division by default because both Florida and Tennessee have dropped from being top 10 programs. South Carolina's 7-5 last season matched Brad Scott's 7-5 team from '94. Scott also was 6-5 in '96. Kentucky is not near as competitive as they were under Mumme. Vanderbilt is still Vanderbilt.

In my honest opinion, its not that the other teams in the East have risen,... its that Tennessee and Florida have dropped a bit.... and do not dominate the East like they did in the '90s.
 
#62
#62
(allvol @ Jun 6 said:
Comparing the SEC East to the late 90's, I'm not so sure that the SEC East is really that much better overall.

Both Florida and Tennessee had top 5 programs during the late 90's, with each winning 1 national championship each (Florida in '96 and Tennessee in '98). Georgia was 10-2 and 9-3 respectively in '97 and '98. Hal Mumme led Kentucky to bowl games in 1998 and 1999. South Carolina was 6-5 in '96 and 5-6 in '97 and actually won a bowl game at the conclusion of the 1994 season. The only poor team in the SEC East consistantly during the late 90's was Vanderbilt.... and even they had a 5-6 record in 1999 (same as last season).

Florida was 9-3 last season, but no where near the level of teams they had in the 90's. Despite Tennessee's 5-6 record last season, they are only 1 season removed from competing in the SEC-Championship Game. Georgia's 10-3 of last season is not much better than their records of the late '90s...... they just won the division by default because both Florida and Tennessee have dropped from being top 10 programs. South Carolina's 7-5 last season matched Brad Scott's 7-5 team from '94. Scott also was 6-5 in '96. Kentucky is not near as competitive as they were under Mumme. Vanderbilt is still Vanderbilt.

In my honest opinion, its not that the other teams in the East have risen,... its that Tennessee and Florida have dropped a bit.... and do not dominate the East like they did in the '90s.
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I agree fully
 
#63
#63
i would agree with you if TN had still be consistently beating UGA since Richt took over, but that's not the case. In 01, we won the East by default then because UF beat UGA....depends on how you look at it.

Generally speaking, for one to "rise up", some one else has to "fall down".

but UGA has been more dominant than TN or UF the past 5 years, though UF still has the upper hand on UGA in head to head match ups. Which i think is more of an indictment on UF than praise for UGA. Because you could make the arguement that UGA has won the East by default because UF has lost to TN....

In the 90's it was UF, TN, UGA, now it's UGA, UF, TN....(and had we done anything last year, i'd say our position was better than UF, since we've at least been to the SEC CG in the last 5 years, where UF hasn't.)

But UGA is the only team from the East that's won the conf. in the last 5 years, and you can't take it away from 'em.

as for the rest of you post about the rest of the schools in the East, i agree.
 
#65
#65
Since Spurrier eft Fla- UT did not win a single SEC title even with zook at fla. That says alot about the decline of this program
 
#66
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(brg72 @ Jun 7 said:
Since Spurrier eft Fla- UT did not win a single SEC title even with zook at fla. That says alot about the decline of this program
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Very insightful, and the biggest indictment yet for the state of the program. Your "archenemy" leaves and your team falls apart when the East is there for the taking.

Perhaps that is the root of most UT fan's frustration. Spurrier's departure seemed like the perfect opportunity begin a run of championships and to establish UT as a dominate team for the first time in history.
 
#67
#67
(Lexvol @ Jun 7 said:
Very insightful, and the biggest indictment yet for the state of the program. Your "archenemy" leaves and your team falls apart when the East is there for the taking.

Perhaps that is the root of most UT fan's frustration. Spurrier's departure seemed like the perfect opportunity begin a run of championships and to establish UT as a dominate team for the first time in history.
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now that i could agree with, at least as a major source of frustration for TN fans.
 
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