What idiotic thing will she say next?????

#51
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lawgator1 said:
While I do not in practice disagree with you that a cross in a cemetery is far less obnoxious than a Bible lesson in PS 135, I think history has shown that you cannot trust the government decisionmakers on this issue to come up with a sensible distinction.

I mean, look at the credentials of the people who get motivated enough by this issue to run for local office so as to influence the outcome. Its the Bible thumpers who want to call the shots and, as we see in this thread, they don't have the intellectual horsepower to see the forest for the trees on this issue.
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Goes both ways on this issue - your instance that one side is irrational on the matter and the other rational shows you can't see the forest for the trees.
 
#52
#52
Joe Stalin would be proud of O'Donnel's opponent Coons, the Kenyan marxist and rich pampered little pretty boy who could give a flip less about the US Constitution or even common decency and who would love to turn America into the same sort of socialist state that once was in the USSR.

He has been running his little fiefdom in just that manner, rasing taxes astronimically, treating the elected legislators as if they should be his politboro rubber stamp.

He withhods vital information they need to act in the positions they have been elected to perform, forcing them to file FOIAs just to get a bare minimum of information that should be readily availble not only to them but to any citizen living with that jurisdiction.

Now we find that he also uses the power of his position to retaliate against anyone who dares disagree with him.

NEWS: Chris Coons Was Sued Three Times In 2007 For Retaliating Against Public Employees For Their Political Views American Glob

(August 2007) WILMINGTON, Del. (AP)- A third lawsuit alleges that New Castle County Executive Chris Coons retaliated against county employees because of their political views.

Dennis Parkstone filed the latest lawsuit last month. He claims he was fired after 35 years for a minor violation because he voiced support for Coon’s rival in 2004, Sherry Freebery. However, county spokeswoman Christy Gleason says Parkstone was fired because he sent inappropriate and explicit e-mails on the county’s e-mail servers.

A lawsuit filed by county police Corporal Trinidad Navarro is scheduled to go to trial next month. Navarro alleges he was passed over for a promotion because he supported a police chief appointed by the previous county executive.

And two years ago, Freebery’s brother alleged in lawsuit that he was improperly fired because he supported his sister. He was the general manager of Special Services for the county.
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What a lousy piece of scum and this is the guy ACLG would have the good people of Delaware send to Washington DC so that he can screw over all of us.

Freaking outrageous!
 
#53
#53
volinbham said:
Goes both ways on this issue - your instance that one side is irrational on the matter and the other rational shows you can't see the forest for the trees.
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If you are hoping that I will defend those who overreact to every single coincidental display of a religious icon or symbol on public property, I hate to disappoint but I roll my eyes at them just as much as I do at the O'Donnell's of the world.

I cannot imagine that some kid somewhere is substantively influenced by meaningless Thanksgiving songs selected as much because they translate easily to the kazoo as that they promote a religious theme.

I am with you there.

But I know full well that people like O'Donnell, or joevol, or gsvol, or Palin, have in mind to go quite a bit farther than that, even if they have to engage in some tortured mental gymnastics to try to read out of the First Amendment what it clearly states: spearation of church and state.
 
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#54
gsvol said:
Joe Stalin would be proud of O'Donnel's opponent Coons, the Kenyan marxist and rich pampered little pretty boy who could give a flip less about the US Constitution or even common decency and who would love to turn America into the same sort of socialist state that once was in the USSR.

He has been running his little fiefdom in just that manner, rasing taxes astronimically, treating the elected legislators as if they should be his politboro rubber stamp.

He withhods vital information they need to act in the positions they have been elected to perform, forcing them to file FOIAs just to get a bare minimum of information that should be readily availble not only to them but to any citizen living with that jurisdiction.

Now we find that he also uses the power of his position to retaliate against anyone who dares disagree with him.

NEWS: Chris Coons Was Sued Three Times In 2007 For Retaliating Against Public Employees For Their Political Views American Glob



What a lousy piece of scum and this is the guy ACLG would have the good people of Delaware send to Washington DC so that he can screw over all of us.

Freaking outrageous!
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Yeah, I know that whenever a person files a lawsuit against someone running for office, and particularly when they do it during an election cycle, that everything alleged in in it is always true.
 
#57
#57
droski said:
ahhh so you must think meg whitman is getting a raw deal right?
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From what little I've seen of that campaign between she and Brown, it seems like a race to see who can talk about more irrelevant crap than the other one.
 
#58
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lawgator1 said:
If you are hoping that I will defend those who overreact to every single coincidental display of a religious icon or symbol on public property, I hate to disappoint but I roll my eyes at them just as much as I do at the O'Donnell's of the world.

I cannot imagine that some kid somewhere is substantively influenced by meaningless Thanksgiving songs selected as much because they translate easily to the kazoo as that they promote a religious theme.

I am with you there.

But I know full well that people like O'Donnell, or joevol, or gsvol, or Palin, have in mind to go quite a bit farther than that, even if they have to engage in some tortured mental gymnastics to try to read out of the First Amendment what it clearly states: spearation of church and state.
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you are a complete fool gator. it is a shame that you call yourself a lawyer. I guess you've study the law theories of marx and not that of our founding fathers. I pit you gator and your hatred.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But I know full well that people like O'Donnell, or joevol, or gsvol, or Palin, have in mind to go quite a bit farther than that, even if they have to engage in some tortured mental gymnastics to try to read out of the First Amendment what it clearly states: spearation of church and state.
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pretty sad that you're focused on their reading of the laws but not the current group sitting in DC that have clearly never read the document. It will be over for them shortly but will take years to undo the damage they've done. Hope you're proud
 
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#63
lawgator1 said:
Yeah, I know that whenever a person files a lawsuit against someone running for office, and particularly when they do it during an election cycle, that everything alleged in in it is always true.
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How many people on this board do you think there are who actually really believe you have a law degree and make a living as an attorney??

Didn't notice the date of the AP article did you??

I'm sure all these people knew years ago that Coons would be running for the senate, stands to reason, what's the legal term for that???

Want idiotic statements?

"The best decision I ever made was to choose Joe Biden for VP!!!"
Barack Hussein Obama

If that is the apex of Barry's decision making then he didn't get very far from the bottom of the barrel did he??
 
#64
#64
great quote....


We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.
John Adams

this why the obamas, pelosis, lawgaytors and other humanist need a breathing constitution.
 
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droski said:
adams was a wackjob
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Why would you say John Adams was a wackjob??

I’d rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no job and no nuts.

A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it, but knowledge is easy to him who understands wisdom.

What you think of the following??

Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence said. "The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be aid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments. Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind."

Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary said, "The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."

Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution. "For avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. Therefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."

Fisher Ames author of the final wording for the First Amendment wrote, "Why should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."

John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court , "The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."

James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution; U. S. Supreme Court Justice, "Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other."

Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary stated, "The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. . . All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."

Robert Winthrop, Speaker of the U. S. House, "Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet."

George Washington, General of the Revolutionary Army, president of the Constitutional Convention, First President of the United States of America, Father of our nation, " Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society."

Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration of Independence "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof." Continental Congress, 1778

Are they all wackos also??
 
#68
#68
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." James Maddison

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." James Madison

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
John Adams

"The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
 
#69
#69
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." Thomas Jefferson

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it." Benjamin Franklin

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
Thomas Jefferson
 
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#70
VolBurgers said:
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." James Maddison

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not." James Madison

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
John Adams

"The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation [birth] of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation [birth] of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
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You really, really, really might want to look up the rest of that Adams quote.......
 
#71
#71
droski said:
church meaning organized religion, not christian beleifs.
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Agreed but that isn't what 20th century progressives managed to massage out of the phrase "separation of church and state". They managed to prohibit valedictorians from mentioning their faith in graduation speeches, prayer from HS sporting events, Ten Commandment monuments from public property, etc.

None of these prohibitions or many others like them were intended by the founders.

O'Donnell may present like a duffass but she was right on the abuse of "separation of church and state".
 
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#72
sjt18 said:
Agreed but that isn't what 20th century progressives managed to massage out of the phrase "separation of church and state". They managed to prohibit valedictorians from mentioning their faith in graduation speeches, prayer from HS sporting events, Ten Commandment monuments from public property, etc.

None of these prohibitions or many others like them were intended by the founders.

O'Donnell may present like a duffass but she was right on the abuse of "separation of church and state".
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+1
 
#73
#73
tigervol9802 said:
You really, really, really might want to look up the rest of that Adams quote.......
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"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world." John Adams

". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." John Adams
 
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VolBurgers said:
"God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there will never be any liberal science in the world." John Adams

". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." John Adams
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So I take it that you saw that the original didn't fit your agenda so just ignored my post to post something else that did?

And while you are at it you really may want to dig a bit deeper into that first one as well.....
 
#75
#75
So I take you will offer no response regarding the other 10+ including two others from John Adams? Should I post some more?
 
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