What if Pearl were 100% out of the picture?

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#51
What shape would the UT men's basketball program be in now if CBP had never been men's basketball coach at Tennessee?
 
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Barton never shot under 40% from 3 at Memphis.. he's shooting 35.5% this season.. tell me again that he's been at the same level.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
Barton never shot under 40% from 3 at Memphis.. he's shooting 35.5% this season.. tell me again that he's been at the same level.
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He's also taken a heck of a lot more 3s than he did at Memphis. Typically the more you shoot the more the percentage dips, and fwiw, the difference between his current 35.5% and 40% is only 5 made threes...that's not much at all.
 
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VolFan_N_NC said:
If Pearl were out of the picture, then the majority of the fan base would still be talking about the next coach. Don't be blinded by the fact that we have beaten up on some REALLY bad teams recently.

Martin has proved that he is not fit for the job, no matter what kind of run he makes in the NCAAT.
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Short, to the point, and welll said! Zo must go!!! Too little way too late!!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hypothetical...

Let's say Zo gets this team into the NCAA, and they don't win a game, are you for firing him? What about win 1 game? What about making the sweet 16? Or are you for firing him regardless of the outcome of this season?

What if I told you his replacement will be a Larry Eustachy, Donnie Tyndall, Michael White type? Are you still for firing him only to replace him with someone similar?
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Just making tourney isn't enough, IMO. We don't make it or get bounced in 1st rd. I go all in for Marshall.

We win a couple, and keep CCM, I force a shakeup in assts and try and bring in strong offensive mind.
 
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KoachKletus said:
He could make the final 4 and many of us would still want Bruce back. The news yesterday was that the team was finally backing Martin because of the negativity generated. Perhaps the "petition" or "poll" to replace CM finally sunk in that the fans are not happy with lackluster play. This team may or may not make the dance. The way they have played as of late, I say give them a shot, but why are we even discussing this? If CCM was the caliber of coach this team needs, they would have taken care of business in November and December instead of hoping for another bubble shot. I hate to sound negative and will probably be blasted but I am a firm believer that a better coach would have this team battling down the stretch in the dance, not just hoping for a play in game.
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Yes, he could make it to the Final Four and some would still want Pearl to come back.

Martin's teams are unpredictable! Hang with Memphis in the tourney in Hawaii and look good, then the same season, we lose to Austin Peay....

Also, it is good to have an energetic coach. Martin is not energetic like Pearl, which brings excitement to the program...and excitement to the games that we play.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
Just making tourney isn't enough, IMO. We don't make it or get bounced in 1st rd. I go all in for Marshall.

We win a couple, and keep CCM, I force a shakeup in assts and try and bring in strong offensive mind.
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That's not what I asked.

What if it's a mid major who's been to one dance in his career that we hire? Is that better than Zo if he makes the dance this year?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's not what I asked.

What if it's a mid major who's been to one dance in his career that we hire? Is that better than Zo if he makes the dance this year?
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Ha! My ADD kicked in and I didn't read part 2. Reading is fundamental....

I would take Eustacy, as long as we could keep him away from the frat houses. I think he is a really good coach. Outside of him, no, there's no one I feel I'd take that risk with. If we go the coach search route, I pray that feelers have already been out there guaging interest in top tier talent.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
Ha! My ADD kicked in and I didn't read part 2. Reading is fundamental....

I would take Eustacy, as long as we could keep him away from the frat houses. I think he is a really good coach. Outside of him, no, there's no one I feel I'd take that risk with. If we go the coach search route, I pray that feelers have already been out there guaging interest in top tier talent.
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That was my point. We don't know Hart's mindset, so be careful what you wish for, not necessarily you.

If Martin makes the dance and wins a game or two, and you fire him and bring in a 50 year mid major coach who's been to one dance and never won a game...wtf was the point?
 
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Just wait until we win the SECT, go to the final four and the whole board has threads on how much money we should give Martin and ehow much we love him.
 
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Agree 100%.

Unless we couldnt guarantee Bruce or Marshall, I don't make a move if I'm Hart, except force a shake up on the staff as I mentioned before. This years team should have been a 3 or 4 seed easy, IMO. That's why I believe there should be at least some degree of change. However, there's no magic wand...
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Just wait until we win the SECT, go to the final four and the whole board has threads on how much money we should give Martin and ehow much we love him.
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...and I would be agreeing! CCM is a hell of a man, just questionable as a potentially great coach. If he provides results, I'm all in.
 
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Winning a game in the tourney (NCAA) would obviously be big for the guys on the team...and I hope they go as far as possible.

Winning a game in tourney could be worse-case scenario for UT b-ball's future. Being forced to give a mid-major coach a bonus, raise and contract extension...when you're not sure he's the answer...could set the program back years.

Mediocrity...coming to an arena near you soon!!!
 
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lostsheep said:
Winning a game in the tourney (NCAA) would obviously be big for the guys on the team...and I hope they go as far as possible.

Winning a game in tourney could be worse-case scenario for UT b-ball's future. Being forced to give a mid-major coach a bonus, raise and contract extension...when you're not sure he's the answer...could set the program back years.

Mediocrity...coming to an arena near you soon!!!
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That's what a lot of us fear.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'd still feel that Zo needs to go simply for the fact that I feel like we're just going to set the program back further by waiting another year or two to make the change. If he's retained he has to be extended/raised, that means a bigger buy-out. Due to his recruiting style, which mostly seems to be take whomever will commit and his search for diamonds in the rough, which have mostly been lumps of coal, the roster is looking very underwhelming for the foreseeable future. We have to count on Robert Hubbs to return from surgery and just be flat out awesome next season to even compete for the NIT imo.

That we're unlikely to be as talented for multiple years as we are right now, and we're still twisting in the wind to make the field of 68, instills no confidence at all in me. It's not Zo's fault he's in this situation. He wasn't experienced enough for a major coaching job when we hired him. Now we've about to run out on the Pearl talent, which currently accounts for 40 percent of our scoring (yes, Jordy and Maymon are 40%) plus Barton and probably Stokes and replace them with guys that were offered by us and mid-majors who've given no indication that they're able to consistently compete at the major college level.

I hope we make the tourney and win lots of games there this season, because with where our roster is right now, barring a homerun hire or a miraculous uptick in recruiting, we're probably gonna be sitting here three years from now still hoping for a bubble spot like we have the last three.
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This might be the most intelligent post in the history of VN. Good job.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hypothetical...

Let's say Zo gets this team into the NCAA, and they don't win a game, are you for firing him? What about win 1 game? What about making the sweet 16? Or are you for firing him regardless of the outcome of this season?

What if I told you his replacement will be a Larry Eustachy, Donnie Tyndall, Michael White type? Are you still for firing him only to replace him with someone similar?
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Yes, I still am for firing him. I don't think he's a good coach. I don't think he coaches on the floor well. I think his recruiting has been 2nd rate overall. I think he's made bad personnel decisions (firing Fancher and hiring his buddy Marco Harris for Dir Basketball Ops) and I think leaving for China when he started was a terrible move.

As for the replacements, I haven't really looked into them too hard but I do like what I see of Tyndall. I think there are some very solid candidates out there.

I don't think you keep a guy if you don't think he's the long term solution. I've heard people say "you can't afford to fire him" because of the AD's finances. I think the opposite is true. We can't afford to pay him $1.7m next year and then a buyout of $3m AND face a steeper climb back to respectability.
 
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