What if Pearl were 100% out of the picture?

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bleedingTNorange said:
No, I'm not switching, I admitted I got the site confused as to who bumped him inside of 150.

I figured you had done some research on this to make that statement, I didn't realize I was gonna have to do it for you. Here ya go...list for me how many players are in the 247 top 200 on each SEC team next year.

When you answer that question, and list the teams in order, thus giving us the rankings you originally eluded to when calling us 10th or worse...we can then move on to the next topic.
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We have one 4* or better next year. That's my research.

You didn't answer this question. Did we underachieve Zo's 1st year when he had 6 4* players on his roster and didn't make the tourney?
 
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NYC Vol said:
We have one 4* or better next year. That's my research.
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So a roster is 1 player deep?

Like I said, our roster has 9 top 200 players, we play 8-9 players typically. So how many do other SEC teams have?

As I said, you wanna make a statement like we have a 10th or worse roster and I'm sorry, but I would think you would have some facts to back that up. And research 1 player deep is hardly....well research.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So a roster is 1 player deep?

Like I said, our roster has 9 top 200 players, we play 8-9 players typically. So how many do other SEC teams have?

As I said, you wanna make a statement like we have a 10th or worse roster and I'm sorry, but I would think you would have some facts to back that up. And research 1 player deep is hardly....well research.
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Fla
UK
Arky
Bama
LSU
Vandy

I haven't really looked too hard but at first glance it looks like Ole Miss, Mizzou and UGA seem to have their share of top 200 players.

I've had enough. We won't finish top 5 in the league next year unless we have a new coach that plays to the players' strengths. And on that, I'd be willing to place a substantial wager with you. Otherwise.... :snoring:
 
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NYC Vol said:
Fla
UK
Arky
Bama
LSU
Vandy
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Vandy, how's that possible? They have 3 incoming, have 7 scholarships players of which about 4 are graduating. Numbers don't add up to 9 bro? I count about 4 that they'll have, I give you one simple task and you can't even follow those directions.

Shame on you.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Vandy, how's that possible? They have 3 incoming, have 7 scholarships players of which about 4 are graduating. Numbers don't add up to 9 bro? I count about 4 that they'll have, I give you one simple task and you can't even follow those directions.

Shame on you.
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Parker #63
Jones #77
Baldwin #92
Fisher-Davis #105
Lachance #147
Siakam #150

That's 6 top 150 players which is more than the Vols have...unless we use your stats which include rankings when the kids were in 8th grade apparently. But hey, we have Derek Reese coming off the bench so we're much deeper. Not a chance Vandy can only take 6 or 7 guys and beat our depth next year.

Now please, I was trying to go to sleep but you keep pulling me in with all of these wrong assertions. You're really starting to bore me. At least be correct one time. Truth be told (and just between you and me) I'm starting to feel like a bully. Yes indeed, shame on me is right. Shall I give you an easy one to get right?
 
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40Cap said:
Appreciate your honesty. IMO, it's opinions like yours from so many UT fans that doom Cuonzo, regardless of what happens the rest of this year. I truly believe he keeps his job (unless the admin decides, screw it, let's just re-hire Bruce-very unlikely). Next year will likely be a step back due to the talent we lose this year, and Cuonzo will likely be fired. Counzo will pay the price for simply not being Bruce Pearl. Hopefully the guy after CM will be someone the fans can get behind, and we can all move on and support the program. Otherwise our program will be relegated back to the Wade Houston/Kevin O'neal days.
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I can't agree with this sentiment. If Cuonzo's teams had won more the last two years specifically then the talk for his job would be minimal to non-existent. Yes, it is tough to follow a "legend" but the lack of consistency and wins will be what "dooms" Cuonzo if he is actually "doomed".
 
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UTMVol76 said:
Agree 100%.

Unless we couldnt guarantee Bruce or Marshall, I don't make a move if I'm Hart, except force a shake up on the staff as I mentioned before. This years team should have been a 3 or 4 seed easy, IMO. That's why I believe there should be at least some degree of change. However, there's no magic wand...
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^^^^ This all day.
I'm not saying I want Martin gone. If you can't land Bruce, Marshall or a Shakka Smart then I think we are better off keeping Martin. I'm not anti-Martin. I really like the guy and I don't think he is a bad coach. I don't know that he is a good/great coach. My point is, if there is a strong chance for a major upgrade you have to make the upgrade.
 
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C-town Vol said:
I can't agree with this sentiment. If Cuonzo's teams had won more the last two years specifically then the talk for his job would be minimal to non-existent. Yes, it is tough to follow a "legend" but the lack of consistency and wins will be what "dooms" Cuonzo if he is actually "doomed".
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Most observers (and I mean bball people, not message board commenters)say that they actually over-achieved the last 2 years. You know something they don't? Problem was they got close to the making the tourney, came up short, and people blamed the coach for that when they weren't realistically expected to make the tourney either year. I agree that this year has been disappointing, but you can't lump the other 2 in w/ this year. If Pearl's penalty weren't expiring this year, we'd hear a lot less of the "fire the coach" talk, and that's just reality, maybe not fair, but reality.
 
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NYC Vol said:
Parker #63
Jones #77
Baldwin #92
Fisher-Davis #105
Lachance #147
Siakam #150

That's 6 top 150 players which is more than the Vols have...
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Here's my post you quoted...

Like I said, our roster has 9 top 200 players, we play 8-9 players typically. So how many do other SEC teams have?
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You don't see the issue in your point?

Lulz, this is like trying to have a debate with Radio.
 
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they did finish 4th in the SEC regular season 40 cap,weren't they picked to finish 3rd ?isn't that almost where they were suppose to be at ? and yes (i am just a message board commentator) just like you,hopefully they get an invite to the NCAA Tournament,it is on there shoulders as to what happens to there coach,so hopefully they will play there ass off for CCM
 
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governmentmule said:
they did finish 4th in the SEC regular season 40 cap,weren't they picked to finish 3rd ?isn't that almost where they were suppose to be at ? and yes (i am just a message board commentator) just like you,hopefully they get an invite to the NCAA Tournament,it is on there shoulders as to what happens to there coach,so hopefully they will play there ass off for CCM
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yeah, they were pretty close to where they were picked this year, but I think before the season if you said we would lose twice to A&M, lose to Vandy, and UTEP most people would call that unacceptable. And yes I include myself in the grouping of message board commenters. I'm pulling for them to keep riding this wave of good performances, just not looking forward to the reaction of many in our fan-base when our next loss occurs, regardless of when that is.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here's my post you quoted...



You don't see the issue in your point?

Lulz, this is like trying to have a debate with Radio.
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Top 200 is a little on the low side isnt it? I dont know why I am worried about next season bc we probably have close to the same amount of top 200 as Kentucky and Florida. LOL
 
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volbeast33 said:
Top 200 is a little on the low side isnt it? I dont know why I am worried about next season bc we probably have close to the same amount of top 200 as Kentucky and Florida. LOL
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Top 200 is generally high major level players.

Are you saying Thompson, Moore and Davis aren't talented enough to play for Tennessee? We likely won't have the top end talent Florida and Kentucky will, or probably LSU...but our 5,6,7 and 8 will be much better than most of the SEC from a talent standpoint IMO.

I'll make this real simple...he said next years squad has 10th or worse talent on it's roster, given how horrible CCM is, no way he overachieves right? So you guys are saying we finish around 12th or worse?

I'll take any bets that say we finish 10th or worse next year in conference.
 
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CAVol said:
So if we make the Sweet 16 he shouldn't be gone?
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I think he is safe regardless and if he keeps us playing defense like we have the past three games and into next yr, my worries about his recruiting will be proven unsubstantiated bc defense can win alot of ball games while our players grow.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Top 200 is generally high major level players.

Are you saying Thompson, Moore and Davis aren't talented enough to play for Tennessee? We likely won't have the top end talent Florida and Kentucky will, or probably LSU...but our 5,6,7 and 8 will be much better than most of the SEC from a talent standpoint IMO.

I'll make this real simple...he said next years squad has 10th or worse talent on it's roster, given how horrible CCM is, no way he overachieves right? So you guys are saying we finish around 12th or worse?

I'll take any bets that say we finish 10th or worse next year in conference.
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I do think to be the program we want to be, we should have a good portion of our roster from solid top 100 players with a mixture of 100-200 players filling out the rest of our roster. I love all 3 of the players that you mentioned but all 3 have significant flaws in their games.

D Thompson is slow and has trouble defending the PG position and as of right now struggles greatly with his shot( you yourself stated that you couldnt see him playing starters minutes bc of some of his deficiencies), A Moore( My favorite) is a PF stuck in a shooting guards body.....hard for him to see major minutes bc he is a player without a position....AJ Davis is the same thing.....more of a SF but not dynamic enough to play out there and not able to play PF for significant minutes bc he gets shoved around down there.
 
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