What is the ACC doing right now?

#27
#27
Missouri brings two of the largest media markets in the center of the country, St. Louis & Kansas City. Texas A&M brings the Houston market and part of the DFW market. The SEC will need the media growth after the mega-mergers in the north and west.

I heard some negative pub on the SEC today. John Pennington stated tha Tejas had interest in joining the SEC, but the SEC was not interested in raising their academic standards. I do think in the long run that this decision will hurt the SEC. We will never be Ivy League and should not be. But we do not need to fall behind the competition either. Ask the teams that fall behind the competition in facilities how easy it is to compete.
 
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onevol74 said:
I heard some negative pub on the SEC today. John Pennington stated tha Tejas had interest in joining the SEC, but the SEC was not interested in raising their academic standards. I do think in the long run that this decision will hurt the SEC. We will never be Ivy League and should not be. But we do not need to fall behind the competition either. Ask the teams that fall behind the competition in facilities how easy it is to compete.
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Whoever says uses this academic standards excuse is a noob. Don't we alreqady have one of the most stringent academic requirements in terms of getting players on campus? (see Glen Stanley situation and Jose Jose). There is a reason why some of these guys have SEC talent but end up elsewhere...
 
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FWIW, yesterday VT had a release denying it has even had expansion discussions with the SEC.
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
This is my reasoning for why I'm so adamant about adding the NC schools:

Here is the list for possible schools the SEC might add in expansion:

GT
Miami
FSU
Clemson
UNC
Duke
VT
UVA
WV
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Missouri

These are the only real potential options for expansion.

Let's assess each one:

GT--adds no new market. We already control Atlanta because UGA is top Dawg in that state (pun intended) and it is also the site of the SEC Championship game each year. They also left the conference on bad terms. GT brings no benefit and only subdivides the pie for TV revenue by bringing in an already-covered market.

FSU--Florida will not likely allow this. Not only that, but we already have THE team in the state of Florida already. Sure they add a good football program, but no new market is really reached here.

Clemson--an SEC-esque football program with rabid fans doesn't make up for the fact that they are already in a small market which is also covered by SC. No new TV market= no addition to the SEC.

Miami--see FSU.

VT--brings a good football program, but their market reach is rather limited. I consider them an option because they do extend into a new state, but they still leave much to be desired.

UVA--see VT, but minus the "good football program" part.

WV--see VT.

Texas A&M--would be an excellent addition because of the Texas markets we would reach. However, most likely they are a package deal with Texas, and Texas isn't coming here.

OU--would also be an excellent addition because we add another traditional football super-power to the SEC and reach markets in an unreached state. However, they are also likely joined at the hip to Texas.

Missouri--probably headed to the Big 10. They add the St.Louis and Kansas City markets, but aside from that, don't bring much to the conference besides new TV sets.

UNC--adds a decent football program that is quickly improving under Butch Davis. Also adds a historical powerhouse in basketball. Reaches the NC markets and takes the flagship university of the ACC.

Duke--adds a mediocre football program, but they have been slowly improving under Cutcliffe. Like UNC, they add another powerhouse in basketball. While less desirable to the SEC than UNC, they would most likely be a package deal with the Tar Heels. They also extend into the NC market.

Imagine the basketball we could have in the SEC with UNC and Duke added:

Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Tennessee, Florida, and Vandy? Nice.

We would dominate in the two most popular sports in college athletics.

My ideal additions would be Texas A&M, OU, UNC, and Duke. That way we reach into three new states and pretty much cover the entire Southeast (and part of the Midwest) while effectively destroying the ACC by taking the two most prominent schools. The NC schools would also exponentially improve academics.

It's probably a pipe dream, but I view it as the most-realistic most-beneficial option.
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Disagree on WV and Clemson. Both already have sizeable televised games to add to the pie. Outsiders to the area up here underestimate the viewing audience. Bigger than one would think.
 
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GVF said:
Disagree on WV and Clemson. Both already have sizeable televised games to add to the pie. Outsiders to the area up here underestimate the viewing audience. Bigger than one would think.
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I don't understand the hate for Clemson or why so many are downgrading adding them. If anything, Clemson is more attractive than aTm.
 
#33
#33
I think what people are missing is the expansion is a financially driven process. The main question is - If we add team X what does it do for the conference financially? The biggest thing to look at there is TV markets because that will enable the conference to negotiate for bigger TV contracts, which in turn means more money/school. Forget about the actual football & basketball programs, that is secondary.

So of all the schools being discussed which ones are a good financial fit?

Going West:
Texas of course - they would pull the Dallas market (#5 market). They also fit sports-wise. I don't think they come to the SEC

Next best Texas A&M - They'd pull the Houston market (#10) and they also get play in Dallas. athletic programs are a good fit. - a possibility

Oklahoma - the fit for athletics is there, but, TV market share is not. OK City market is #45 in the country. - possible, not probable.

Missouri - financially good move bringing 2 markets - St. Louis (#21) and KC markets (#31). a good fit athletically, not sure the actual location of the university and its academic profile make it a good fit - maybe a fall back position if the SEC cant get into bigger markets in the east.

Going EAST:

Slive has publicly stated there are 4 schools the SEC will not be pursuing - Miami, FSU, Clemson and GA Tech. The only school there I think I'd like to see in is Miami. It brings #16 market and it fits in athletics. I'm betting U Florida, and the influence it has on Slive, is putting the pressure not to add another FL school. The other schools he mentions don't add any market power.

VA Tech - good fit for football, not really for any other sport, and only bring the #67 market with it. VA Tech is publicly saying it has no desire to join SEC - not likely it will.

Clemson would be a good fit, but Slive has counted them out. (#36)

One big obstacle with adding ACC schools to the SEC is the academic profiles. UNC, Wake, UVA, VA Tech, GA Tech, Duke, MD are all top notch research Universities and it would be difficult to pull them in. The schools in the ACC that could fit into the SEC have been eliminated by Slive. The only schools that I see that could make that move at this point is NC State and maybe Maryland. Both would be good gets.

NC State - get the Raleigh/Durham market (#27)
Maryland brings the Washington DC market (#9)

Sec may raid the Big East.

Univ of S. Florida has been a program on the rise should continue to get better. Its not a FL powerhouse so UF may allow Slive to extend an offer to them. It also carries the Tampa market (#13)....not sure how good a fit they are outside of football, and UF is televised here in the Tampa area, it the SEC already has a footprint in the area.

West Virginia, like VA Tech would be a regional fit, bring a fit in major athletics, bring almost no market. In fact they would really be a financial leach on the revenue stream created by the other universities.

Louisville - carries the #50 market which is actually greater than Kentucky actually brings right now. It fits athletically and makes sense regionally.

FINAL THOUGHTS:

Most Likely Candidates I see for expansion given the above are

Louisville from the Big East
NC State &/or Maryland from the ACC
Texas A&M from Big 12

Also in consideration - Oklahoma & Missouri

just my opinion - tifwiw
 
#34
#34
I think you are overestimating the power that Florida has over Slive. You only need a 75% majority for a new school to join, and I am willing to bet that the other 11 schools in the SEC are not going to be doing Florida any favors by helping them block Miami or FSU.
 
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rpostr said:
I think you are overestimating the power that Florida has over Slive. You only need a 75% majority for a new school to join, and I am willing to bet that the other 11 schools in the SEC are not going to be doing Florida any favors by helping them block Miami or FSU.
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I believe you are correct on that.

My assessment on that was based on Slive's public comments that the SEC is not going to offer FSU, Miami, Clemson, or GA Tech. Another anonymous SEC AD also said that they don't foresee making offers to ACC schools.

I also don't think the SEC want to add 3-4 power schools, I think they'll add maybe one (maybe Oklahoma) and then 3 middle of the pack but competitive schools that will bring in revenue - so I don't see the other FL schools coming into play
 
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JoeKyleVol said:
Hey, if we took South Carolina last expansion surely we can take Duke in this one.
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Yeah, Vandy, UK, MSU, and maybe S.C. need a chance to add another conference victory to insure they are in the running for one of the six win bowl trips.
 
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