What is wrong with our WRs??

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SamuraiVol74 said:
Good post, Murphy.

The only thing I do not agree with is the drops and how you are stating the reasons for them. They are wide receivers. They are paid to make all those catches (feels stupid saying that at the collegiate level) and make very few of them compared to other teams. You are spot on it when you talk about the schemes they are running. A passing game averaging less than 10+ per attempt is a ****** passing game. That is on Heupel and the coaching staff.

Bottom line is receivers need to make the catches. Not all of them, but most of them. Last night they had 3 drops that occurred in critical situations. The rest of the time, its on play calling and coaching. They run zero slants......FOR WIDE RECEIVERS! That is just stupid and they are not gonna win a thing doing that. They also underutilize the tight ends, who apparently are open every game and thrown to for one series before being "disappeared" by the play calling. The passing game is 100% on the coaching staff.
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They don't throw over the middle because they do not trust Nico overthrowing and interceptions. He is not accurate and I have said before I do not think that is freshman He has been at quarterback camps all his life
Couple that with a mediocre WR group and the pass game is limited in its potential.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
I saw several times last night where we had one-on-one coverage and we simply never took a shot. That tells me there is a trust issue somewhere.
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We took 2 shots, on one Nico threw it a mile high and we got bailed out on the PI. The other was another bad over throw by the QB.
 
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lefthander said:
They don't throw over the middle because they do not trust Nico overthrowing and interceptions. He is not accurate and I have said before I do not think that is freshman He has been at quarterback camps all his life
Couple that with a mediocre WR group and the pass game is limited in its potential.
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That is a fair argument, lefthander. He wasn't accurate last night either, but I will not give the coaching staff and receivers a pass because Nico tends to throw the ball higher than he should. There are far too many examples of passes that have hit them in their hands only to watch it drop to the ground. And as far as coaching, there is plenty of film now that shows exactly what Heupel is going to do on offense and he makes no adjustments and does not mix it up...ever.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
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I think it's poor evaluations both in HS and in the portal. Same for the OL. Heupel was most successful with talent left from the previous coaching staff. Next year the roster is all his. Kinda scary to be honest. Not sold on this staff and their abilities both on the field and in recruiting.
 
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I’m getting really tired of not being able to win a difficult SEC road game. And we have Bama and Florida on the road next year. There’s two losses already
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
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Bama and UGa still have a talent advantage over us. I dont think it is going to last much longer, but that is the current situation, IMO

I love Bru for his sure hands but he has never been a burner in Knoxville.

Thortin could be the guy...but he needs Bru ability ti catch the ball.

Personally i thought Squirrel played a prettt solid game last. He is pretty small for this league but performed at a pretty high level last night. Of course, that opinion was formed while under the influence of bourbon. A rewatching of the game may chamfe my mind.
 
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207 others said:
I think Nico often throws laser NFL passes when he's accurate on a strike and honestly our WR are D1 athletes and nothing else. The balls are often overthrown on lobs and too fast on darts. That sounds stupid, sure, but it is what it is, it takes special WR to catch some of this chit. Our routes are predictable, our WR overall are slower than competition and the ones who aren't slow all have major weaknesses, like lack of quickness vs speed and vice versa, butterfingers, average agility, theyre good blockers for the spread rush though. Sorry for the honesty in advance
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Throw to Sampson was a bullet. He had an easy 5-6 yard gain to set up 3rd and short. Instead, went through his hands and ended up third and long.

First long pass had great air under it. Result: PI on defense.

Next long pass, hardly any air, overthrew by 10 yards. WR had no chance.

Nico needs to really put air under those balls. I think that is what Gaston did so well that resulted in all those PI calls on MSST.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
We didn't blitz enough
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I agree, but blitz doesn't automatically imply pressure. I have seen plenty of blitzes get stuffed by good lines.
It does, however, improve the odds. That was one of my biggest issues with the defensive plan last night. Georgia had an Afghan blanket O-Line and we couldn't sniff Beck. That's planning and execution fails.
 
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SamuraiVol74 said:
I agree, but blitz doesn't automatically imply pressure. I have seen plenty of blitzes get stuffed by good lines.
It does, however, improve the odds. That was one of my biggest issues with the defensive plan last night. Georgia had an Afghan blanket O-Line and we couldn't sniff Beck. That's planning and execution fails.
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The only time I remember us blitzing Beck had to hurry the throw
 
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volgr said:
We took 2 shots, on one Nico threw it a mile high and we got bailed out on the PI. The other was another bad over throw by the QB.
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The PI is not a bail out. Throwing a deep ball a little short is 100% better than 10 yards past the receiver. You will get an interference penalty on a short ball 80% of the time because most DB will not look for the ball.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Title says it all. What do you guys think? They have not been good all year. What amazes me is how slow they all look. Maybe I am missing something but Bru looks much slower now. Even Squirrel looks slower. Looking at Bama and UGAs WRs at least to me theirs look faster and quicker than ours.

Is it all coaching? Or are we not recruiting the right type of receivers?
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I think a big issue is how they are used. Bru and squirrel are good players but have major flaws in their game. For bru, he just doesn’t have wr speed. He’s almost like a hybrid wr/te. He’s a good possession guy. But he’s been targeted so much with deep shots. That’s not his strength.

And squirrel is absolutely horrible at deep shots as well. I can’t really explain that one because he does have top and speed. But he has this horrible tendency to leave his feet every time the ball arrives. Which means he then needs to survive the ground. I bet 15+ times this year he’s left his feet on a ball that he could’ve caught in stride. Most of them have ended up going for incompletions. He should be used more as a traditional slot guy. Let him make quick cuts and get him the ball quickly in space. He’s great at making the first guy miss and is shifty and fast.

I’d add to the list of concerns why we seem to target Kitselman so much. He seems to be targeted as much as any player on the team and imo…he’s just doesn’t have great ball skills. We’ve seen him with big drops in damn near every game this year.
 
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vol94 said:
It’s a shame Matthews hasn’t played more. I hope he doesn’t hit the portal.

Our routes are not difficult to defend. UGA has mediocre receivers but they confused TN with bunch formations. Our DBs were so confused which left receivers wide open.

I think coaches know how to defend Heup’s system. Hyatt had speed and a QB who could improvise.
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I have been told he missed a lot of Fall practice and has not been able to catch up to the responsibilities of his position.
Maybe he will be the player we expected after Winter workouts. For sure, we need more receivers need to get up to speed if our passing game is to reach it potential. We have to have big passing plays to be able to score enough points to win in the SEC.
 
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Volbrando said:
I’m more concerned about our secondary at the moment. They got completely exposed
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I agree. Too often they don’t turn and look for the ball. Seem to always be playing to tackle the receiver after the catch is made, not break up or intercept the pass. I believe on one of those touchdown passes we had three defenders in the area, yet the tight end caught the pass uncontested.
 
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chattavol420 said:
I think a big issue is how they are used. Bru and squirrel are good players but have major flaws in their game. For bru, he just doesn’t have wr speed. He’s almost like a hybrid wr/te. He’s a good possession guy. But he’s been targeted so much with deep shots. That’s not his strength.

And squirrel is absolutely horrible at deep shots as well. I can’t really explain that one because he does have top and speed. But he has this horrible tendency to leave his feet every time the ball arrives. Which means he then needs to survive the ground. I bet 15+ times this year he’s left his feet on a ball that he could’ve caught in stride. Most of them have ended up going for incompletions. He should be used more as a traditional slot guy. Let him make quick cuts and get him the ball quickly in space. He’s great at making the first guy miss and is shifty and fast.

I’d add to the list of concerns why we seem to target Kitselman so much. He seems to be targeted as much as any player on the team and imo…he’s just doesn’t have great ball skills. We’ve seen him with big drops in damn near every game this year.
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Don’t have any stats in front of me, but seemed like Squirrel was the leading receiver last night. Like the kid, but that’s an issue with the supposed talent we have in that group. I think his jumping is a protection mechanism of some kind…catch the ball, then protect ball and body seems to be his mindset. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him catch a ball in stride and stay upright.

I’m surprised Kitselman is leading the TE group. Thought Staes and Ethan Davis would lead the way, but it just hasn’t happened…and no offense, but Kitselman is a very avg TE. I’ve thought for a while Bru could play that position and be more effective.

WR is a disappointment with the lack of separation and dropped balls. Thornton is about the only one that can get some separation, but we saw him again drop a pass right in the hands that would have extended a drive. MM is dying to get on the field along with the rest of the 4* receivers over there riding the pine. Webb, Matthews, Leacock, etc. just can’t seem to get any snaps. Won’t surprise me if we see several xfers out of the WR room at the end of the season. We’re just not developing these guys well enough and same goes for the O line.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Now, now, 207, you're saying Nico has JoMilton-ism. 🙃
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Well definitely this year however he is 5 years younger than hooker and Milton so he gets a long time b4 I cement his legacy that way I expect next year he improves a lot. He has improved a letter grade every 4 games so far
 
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