What it will take to keep Pearl...

#53
#53
No, if it's true it's true. I was just curious if anyone started the same year as him.
 
#54
#54
kiffinator13 said:
Haha. I wasn't trying to be a jackass. I thought you were using that to somehow disprove it as being true. My apologies.
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You’ve become jaded. Gone is the innocent and naive poster from February and in his place we have a VN regular. :hi:
 
#56
#56
I will say however there have been coaching changes at UGA, USCe, UK, Arky, LSU and Ala maybe Auburn with Lebo so it's not like CBP is beating a strong league.

I guess my only thing is I hope it doesn't turn into that CPF thing where they had to keep adjusting his having the highest winning % if anyone knows what I'm referring to.
 
#57
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kiffinator13 said:
I actually think he was the only new coach in the league that year. I'm pretty sure that is right.
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You're probably right. As I listed there has been so much turnover recently it's been tough to remember what year all these coaches started.
 
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JZVOL said:
I will say however there have been coaching changes at UGA, USCe, UK, Arky, LSU and Ala maybe Auburn with Lebo so it's not like CBP is beating a strong league.

I guess my only thing is I hope it doesn't turn into that CPF thing where they had to keep adjusting his having the highest winning % if anyone knows what I'm referring to.
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Yea I do. First it was the highest winning percentage among active coaches, and then it was among coaches with 10+ years experience, etc.
 
#59
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kiffinator13 said:
Yea I do. First it was the highest winning percentage among active coaches, and then it was among coaches with 10+ years experience, etc.
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Yea, that was apparent as things started to slide.

CBP is not close to that, but that's what that stat reminded me of is all. And he's going to be here a long time so hopefully he will have great success.
 
#60
#60
Let me simplify: UT has won more SEC basketball games over the four years Pearl has been the Vols' head coach than any other SEC program.

Does that clear things up? :)
 
#61
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Writer32 said:
Let me simplify: UT has won more SEC basketball games over the four years Pearl has been the Vols' head coach than any other SEC program.

Does that clear things up? :)
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Yea, thanks. Don't get me wrong that is great and I'm proud of Pearl and the job he has done. However, considering the large amount of turnover in the SEC since he's been at UT, is it as special as it sounds?
 
#62
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JZVOL said:
Yea, thanks. Don't get me wrong that is great and I'm proud of Pearl and the job he has done. However, considering the large amount of turnover in the SEC since he's been at UT, is it as special as it sounds?
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I think it's valid to consider that many teams have undergone coaching changes, but what makes it most impressive to me is that Florida has won 2 NC and we still have won more conference games than them over the last 4 years. But other than Florida, the conference has definitely been down.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
He has won more SEC games than any coach during his tenure. That is what Griff means.
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JZVOL said:
I will say however there have been coaching changes at UGA, USCe, UK, Arky, LSU and Ala maybe Auburn with Lebo so it's not like CBP is beating a strong league.

I guess my only thing is I hope it doesn't turn into that CPF thing where they had to keep adjusting his having the highest winning % if anyone knows what I'm referring to.
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1) Truly; how big of an accomplishment is that? As JZ points out, there has been coaching changes at numerous SEC schools.

2) Why is SEC record the measuring stick of success over “Overall” record? It is not like you have to win your conference to advance to the tournament. Overall record seems to carry more weight with the selection committee. What am I missing; why is SEC record so important in the eyes of Pearl supporters? Doesn’t it reek of Fulmerism?
 
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VolDad said:
1) Truly; how big of an accomplishment is that? As JZ points out, there has been coaching changes at numerous SEC schools.

2) Why is SEC record the measuring stick of success over “Overall” record? It is not like you have to win your conference to advance to the tournament. Overall record seems to carry more weight with the selection committee. What am I missing; why is SEC record so important in the eyes of Pearl supporters? Doesn’t it reek of Fulmerism?
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Yes, if you read above, I definitely concede that there have been coaching changes. But finishing ahead of Fla. who won 2 NCs during this time is definitely an accomplishment. And, I wasn't making an argument that this was the most significant statistic that one could possibly measure, I was just clarifying for JC what Griff was meaning. But, I would argue that having the most wins in a major BCS conference is a major accomplishment. If Phillip Fulmer could say that, he wouldn't be at home sitting on his ass.
 
#65
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kiffinator13 said:
Yes, if you read above, I definitely concede that there have been coaching changes. But finishing ahead of Fla. who won 2 NCs during this time is definitely an accomplishment. And, I wasn't making an argument that this was the most significant statistic that one could possibly measure, I was just clarifying for JC what Griff was meaning. But, I would argue that having the most wins in a major BCS conference is a major accomplishment. If Phillip Fulmer could say that, he wouldn't be at home sitting on his ass.
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I know that you were just clarifying and I was not calling you out. I have just heard that statistic thrown out over and over.

In football the goal is to win the SECC. With that you stand a reasonable shot at playing for the NC. So in Football, SEC wins are critical. Fulmer did not have enough and he is gone.

In Basketball, the goal is to have a high seat placement for the NCAA Tournament. With that, the road to the NC is easier. IMO, SEC victories are not as important as Overall victories except for those seeking moral victories.
 
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VolDad said:
I know that you were just clarifying and I was not calling you out. I have just heard that statistic thrown out over and over.

In football the goal is to win the SECC. With that you stand a reasonable shot at playing for the NC. So in Football, SEC wins are critical. Fulmer did not have enough and he is gone.

In Basketball, the goal is to have a high seat placement for the NCAA Tournament. With that, the road to the NC is easier. IMO, SEC victories are not as important as Overall victories except for those seeking moral victories.
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I understand,, and you are absolutely right about SEC relative to football and basketball respectively. I'm a Pearl supporter, but I certainly don't use that statistic to somehow pretend this year wasn't disappointing. I think everyone including Pearl would agree that it was.
 
#67
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kiffinator13 said:
I understand,, and you are absolutely right about SEC relative to football and basketball respectively. I'm a Pearl supporter, but I certainly don't use that statistic to somehow pretend this year wasn't disappointing. I think .......Pearl would agree that it was.
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I have my doubts and that is the rub for me. When I hear from someone supposedly close to him (as Griff purports to be) that he is disappointed in us, then I have to wonder if he is disappointed about the right things.
 
#68
#68
So... have the specifics about Pearl's new deal been announced yet or are we just going to have to take Griff's word?
 
#69
#69
VolDad said:
I have my doubts and that is the rub for me. When I hear from someone supposedly close to him (as Griff purports to be) that he is disappointed in us, then I have to wonder if he is disappointed about the right things.
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Sometimes I think Griff just purports to be close to Pearl in order to make himself feel important.
 
#70
#70
kiffinator13 said:
Sometimes I think Griff just purports to be close to Pearl in order to make himself feel important.
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I don’t doubt that; though the Steven Pearl thread posted just after my comment makes me wonder if the apple does not fall far from the tree.
 
#73
#73
VolDad said:
I hope that I am not. What gives me hope is the mea culpa he did after the 2nd KY game.
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Yea, I heard him on the Sports Animal talking about mistakes he had made like not getting better playing zone, getting better handling ball screens, etc. But he does seem to be touchy about other people pointing out his deficiencies for him.
 
#74
#74
The reason why SEC record is the best measuring stick is because the teams don't play a uniform non-conference schedule -- as you know, UT has played the most difficult non-conference schedule in the league and among the top five toughest in the nation, since Pearl's arrival.

In the SEC, the schedule are the same for East and West teams. That said, I think over the past four years the East has been tougher, so the East teams (playing one another twice) have had a rougher conference slate than the West team (who also play one another twice).

It was a fair question worthy of a response.
 
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