What Item Will Congress Tax Next For Failing to Purchase?

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Thinking about the question again and I think next step will involve personal gun ownership. Not sure tne form it will take, perhaps a form of liability insurance or increased taxes on gun licenses. Again, not sure, but the fast and furious scandal seems to lay the ground work for tougher gun control, now you have SCOTUS reinforcing Congresses tax power. Bad feeling about the 2nd ammendment.
 
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we all know the next step



population control



and I hear (but can't confirm) that they find the first death panel candidates from...............


UT MESSAGE BOARDS!!

NO ONE IS SAFE
 
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YorkVol said:
Thinking about the question again and I think next step will involve personal gun ownership. Not sure tne form it will take, perhaps a form of liability insurance or increased taxes on gun licenses. Again, not sure, but the fast and furious scandal seems to lay the ground work for tougher gun control, now you have SCOTUS reinforcing Congresses tax power. Bad feeling about the 2nd ammendment.
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With F&F breathing down their necks, I don't think we will see any 2nd amendment infringement until the Cons lose the house again. There have already been several ideas floated for taxes on cars.

Obama administration floats draft plan to tax cars by the mile - The Hill's Floor Action

Is just one. They want to put a mileage counter on your car(s).
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
There has been no overreaction.

History proves that if you give the government a inch they will take a mile. Sooner or later the morons in government will run with this ruling and begin implementing ridiculous legislation.
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Look at income tax withholding just as an example.... It was supposed to end with the conclusion of WW2, yet as soon as the govt saw that folks started making the distinction between gross pay and "take home" pay it was game over....
 
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YorkVol said:
Thinking about the question again and I think next step will involve personal gun ownership. Not sure tne form it will take, perhaps a form of liability insurance or increased taxes on gun licenses. Again, not sure, but the fast and furious scandal seems to lay the ground work for tougher gun control, now you have SCOTUS reinforcing Congresses tax power. Bad feeling about the 2nd ammendment.
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Up until yesterday I would have laughed at this notion... What a difference a day makes...
 
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YorkVol said:
Again, not sure, but the fast and furious scandal seems to lay the ground work for tougher gun control, now you have SCOTUS reinforcing Congresses tax power. Bad feeling about the 2nd ammendment.
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It's a good thing that McDonald v Chicago and DC v Heller are in the bank. That helps.
 
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TNGlen said:
Another one that is being implemented in the form of bans is a sugar tax. NY has banned sales of certain sized softdrinks. Now they have a clear path to just place a per ounce tax on them. The bigger you buy, the more you pay. It will be much the same as the tax on alcohol and tobacco.
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This sounds like a blueprint for what's going to come in the near future... I have always been kind of leery of those little keychain card that grocery stores (and other businesses also...) give out as "discount cards".... Seems line a great way to build up a database of purchasing decisions to later be used against you. "You were involved in a drunk driving accident?? Well.... We see from our Publix database here you buy 2 cases of beer a week!"... Or, "You want coverage/treatment/surgery for XYZ condition? Well... We see from our database you smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day and eat fast food at least 9 times a week on average"... Maybe I should go fashion myself one of those tinfoil hats but I really don't trust anything the government says. It's been that way most of my adult life but yesterday was (yet another) serious wake up call...
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
Look at income tax withholding just as an example.... It was supposed to end with the conclusion of WW2, yet as soon as the govt saw that folks started making the distinction between gross pay and "take home" pay it was game over....
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if more people knew about how contentious this issue was and yet never died, they'd approach the idiots in DC a little differently.
 
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TNGlen said:
With F&F breathing down their necks, I don't think we will see any 2nd amendment infringement until the Cons lose the house again. There have already been several ideas floated for taxes on cars.

Obama administration floats draft plan to tax cars by the mile - The Hill's Floor Action

Is just one. They want to put a mileage counter on your car(s).
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I already have an odometer and plenty of people already report annual mileage for their cars they use for business purposes. I would actually be ok with a road use tax if that lowered my income tax.

The way F and F is being blamed on weak gun control laws by the left makes me worried they could figure out a way to use taxing powers to increase gun control.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
K. You want me to let you know about ANY deaths involving tractors and not just some silly BS you came up with to try and appear funny?
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Wasn't trying to be funny, was just highlighting the silliness of bringing offroad and farm equipment into a discussion when those vehicles make up less than 1/2% of what we were talking about.
 
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TNGlen said:
Wasn't trying to be funny, was just highlighting the silliness of bringing offroad and farm equipment into a discussion when those vehicles make up less than 1/2% of what we were talking about.......Guess what, NEWS FLASH, no license required to drive those vehicles either. I was driving a tractor in S. Georgia when I was 8.
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I thought the Ag Dept was banning kids under 18 from operating farm machinery? Not saying you didn't, just referring to the future rules.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
This sounds like a blueprint for what's going to come in the near future... I have always been kind of leery of those little keychain card that grocery stores (and other businesses also...) give out as "discount cards".... Seems line a great way to build up a database of purchasing decisions to later be used against you. "You were involved in a drunk driving accident?? Well.... We see from our Publix database here you buy 2 cases of beer a week!"... Or, "You want coverage/treatment/surgery for XYZ condition? Well... We see from our database you smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day and eat fast food at least 9 times a week on average"... Maybe I should go fashion myself one of those tinfoil hats but I really don't trust anything the government says. It's been that way most of my adult life but yesterday was (yet another) serious wake up call...
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YorkVol said:
I already have an odometer and plenty of people already report annual mileage for their cars they use for business purposes. I would actually be ok with a road use tax if that lowered my income tax.

The way F and F is being blamed on weak gun control laws by the left makes me worried they could figure out a way to use taxing powers to increase gun control.
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I am in complete agreement about the cards. Fortunately, we buy very few "sugary" items other than white bread at a "card" store. But you are right, that is a ready database that is already done across state lines so it is interstate commerce.

As far as the gun control goes York, the NRA was all over F&F even before it was widely exposed. I don't think that this type of control will be an issue as long as F&F is under investigation and in the "short term memory" of the voters. Currently only a few states have a "license" for guns. There is a background check done in all states and that information is not transfered to the Feds. We are only one step away from Congress figuring out that they can change that law and get the information on every gun that has been purchased legally over the past, I don't know, 20 years or so. I also just heard Allen West talk about a tax on new gun purchases.....VERY REAL!
 
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TNGlen said:
Wasn't trying to be funny, was just highlighting the silliness of bringing offroad and farm equipment into a discussion when those vehicles make up less than 1/2% of what we were talking about.
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I was more refuting the argument that state law REQUIRED vehicle owners to have insurance. Granted, the exception is minuscule but it does exist. The requirement exists in order for motorists to use public roads... And I would say this clause exists not necessarily to protect auto owners so much as to protect the state from litigation.
 
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Velo Vol said:
This has been going on for years.
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I know... And I've always been leery of them and consequently have never gotten any of those cards. I love how they couch them as discount cards or "club benefits" type of deals.... Like i said.. Maybe I'm being a little overly paranoid.
 
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^ I feel the same way. Just give me your best price w/out having to carry around a pocket full of plastic cards.

I eventually gave in. I carry around a pocket full of plastic cards................
 
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Daddy Gee said:
^ I feel the same way. Just give me your best price w/out having to carry around a pocket full of plastic cards.

I eventually gave in. I carry around a pocket full of plastic cards................
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I have an app on my phone to load them all in. Works very well
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I was more refuting the argument that state law REQUIRED vehicle owners to have insurance. Granted, the exception is minuscule but it does exist. The requirement exists in order for motorists to use public roads... And I would say this clause exists not necessarily to protect auto owners so much as to protect the state from litigation.
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Yes, if you look at auto insurance, the most basic policies are liability coverage for the car owner.
 
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