What to make of Penn State

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Two games against weaker teams and two poor outings. We know that Franklin is a solid coach (choking over the words), but the o-lines looks really bad. Are they as bad as they look?
 
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Franklin's not NEARLY the football coach everybody makes him out to be. That's why Penn State sucks. Dear God what both Ohio St and Michigan St are gonna do to Skinhead's team. Only playing an awful FCS-type schedule is allow them to be bowl eligible.
 
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I find it difficult to believe the Penn St is void of any talent. I can see struggles against the weaker sisters in conference, but two FCS teams is surprise. Maybe Franklin is a lesser coach than I had thought. However, it is likely some combination of talent and coaching.
 
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What Franklin did at Vandy was a mirage. He took any team that they weren't favred to beat by 14 and bought them out and replaced them with an FCS team or a team that was in the FCS in the last 5 years. Combine the joke of an OOC schedule with the fact that the East was down as a whole(historically, if USC is considered a contender for the East, you know things are bad) and of course he looks good. But to anyone that actually watched the East and paid attention to their schedules knew it was all smoke and mirrors. He knew it was only a matter of time before the rest of the East returned and the SEC started going after their scheduling with the playoff. ANd even if the rest of the East stayed down, and they were allowed to continue playing that joke of an OOC schedule, he knew top recruits wouldn't want to come there to play some of the worst comp in CFB, win 9-10 games and go to a 6-6 level bowl and barely win, or lose to a 6-6 team.

No matter how bad the East would get, the West would always be there to gauge just how bad Vandy truly was regardless of their record.
 
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Franklin has only beaten teams with a winning record 7 times in 5 seasons as a head coach. His tenure at Vandy came at a perfect time when the East was uneven, having an easy OOC schedule, and having a semi-good roster left over from Bobby Johnson.
 
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allenrikvik said:
I find it difficult to believe the Penn St is void of any talent. I can see struggles against the weaker sisters in conference, but two FCS teams is surprise. Maybe Franklin is a lesser coach than I had thought. However, it is likely some combination of talent and coaching.
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Neither Temple nor Buffalo are FCS schools.
 
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KBVol said:
Franklin's not NEARLY the football coach everybody makes him out to be. That's why Penn State sucks. Dear God what both Ohio St and Michigan St are gonna do to Skinhead's team. Only playing an awful FCS-type schedule is allow them to be bowl eligible.
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As much as I hate to guy...
To give a team like Vanderbilt a 9 win season in a competitive SEC is an absolute miracle job.
 
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Persian Vol said:
As much as I hate to guy...
To give a team like Vanderbilt a 9 win season in a competitive SEC is an absolute miracle job.
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Look a little deeper at how he did it, and with who's players he did it with. Look at the collective records of the team he beat and the records of the team's he lost to. It wasn't pretty. Look at the state of the SECe. It was Stars aligning perfectly stuff and smoke and mirrors. If you want to say he did great relative to Vandy, ok. But in general, when you look closer at what he actually accomplished, it wasn't impressive. Finally, watch his team at Penn State...they're awful and there aren't any stars aligning up there. The only thing you can say about him is he's consistent with his schedules....this year's is as soft as the ones he played at Vandy.
 
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What makes you think that Franklin is a solid coach? He inherited a roster of upperclassmen. They had one of the easiest schedules and the majority of his SEC wins involved opponents with key injuries. He hasn't done squat at Penn State.
 
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I am starting to believe that Franklin was winning with a pretty good group of players left to him, and recruited by Bobby Johnson and the inter-rim coach who's name escapes me
 
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Points are well-taken. With solid coaching, I would have expected that Penn State would have come into the second game with conviction. Penn State should have been able to 'out-athlete' Buffalo by 21 points.

Thanks
 
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Persian Vol said:
As much as I hate to guy...
To give a team like Vanderbilt a 9 win season in a competitive SEC is an absolute miracle job.
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People seem to forget the guy before him had a bad habit of redshirting entire classes almost. 30 redshirt upper classmen who are fringe SEC good (and a few legit ones here and there) are still better than a lot of ****ty teams. Franklin had two years of loaded upper classmen as far as numbers are concerned at least
 
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Matt Rhule is a good coach. Just beat the crap out of Tubbs. How can one coach digress so much since 2003.
 
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The problem is, as meh as Penn St. is, they will probably end up 8-4 because their schedule is pretty weak. They have 2 more OOC games with San Diego St. and Army, and their Big 10 schedule isn't exactly tough as nails. They'll probably lose to Ohio St. and Michigan St., and if they keep playing well Northwestern. Michigan is probably the only other maybe loss.

So really, Franklin could end up doing the exact same thing at PSU as he did at Vandy in a sense, winning because he has crap OOC games and the conference is down overall.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The problem is, as meh as Penn St. is, they will probably end up 8-4 because their schedule is pretty weak. They have 2 more OOC games with San Diego St. and Army, and their Big 10 schedule isn't exactly tough as nails. They'll probably lose to Ohio St. and Michigan St., and if they keep playing well Northwestern. Michigan is probably the only other maybe loss.

So really, Franklin could end up doing the exact same thing at PSU as he did at Vandy in a sense, winning because he has crap OOC games and the conference is down overall.
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Right, but 8-4 at Penn State is dog ****, while for Vandy that is their greatest year in history. He better start getting some 10 win years or he won't last long.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Right, but 8-4 at Penn State is dog ****, while for Vandy that is their greatest year in history. He better start getting some 10 win years or he won't last long.
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True; it would be funny if Mason survives to next year but sucks again (which he will), and if Franklin doesn't get it together next year and gets canned. I wonder if he'd go crawling back to Vandy and I wonder if they'd take him.

I know Clay Travis would start the campaign.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
True; it would be funny if Mason survives to next year but sucks again (which he will), and if Franklin doesn't get it together next year and gets canned. I wonder if he'd go crawling back to Vandy and I wonder if they'd take him.

I know Clay Travis would start the campaign.
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I can only hope so. Imagine the whoopass we would lay on Vandy with a Derek Mason roster and James Franklin incompetence.
 
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