What was Martin doing?

[MoB_MoVols]

I like Martin but he didn't adjust well in the second half. They should have been all over the Ole Miss player who went to his left EVERY TIME from the top of the key. Tatum should have been hedging too.

Are you talking about Henry?

 

[Spartacavolus]

I like Martin but he didn't adjust well in the second half. They should have been all over the Ole Miss player who went to his left EVERY TIME from the top of the key. Tatum should have been hedging too.

A player shouldn't need a coach to point it out to him. Lack of focus. Not lack of effort, but focus.

 

[golf437]

You need to understand this is not possible.

Your a negavol anytime you question the acts or motives of a coach at UT. How dare your suggest that he could have done some things different, what are you thinking?

It is OK to suggest something different if you know what you are talking about. Most do not. It is nice to see you try to stop anyone that disagrees with you by playing the negavol routine.

 

[aboles922]

There really should be a sarcasm font
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[Cheese Donkey]

If I remember correctly, didnt Martin try the zone with this team in preseason camp, only to come away so frustrated with their grasp of it that he scrapped it all together this season? He said something along the lines of "if we are playing in a zone defense, we're in big trouble."

 

[Spartacavolus]

If I remember correctly, didnt Martin try the zone with this team in preseason camp, only to come away so frustrated with their grasp of it that he scrapped it all together this season? He said something along the lines of "if we are playing in a zone defense, we're in big trouble."

We have been in trouble a few times.

 

[Cheese Donkey]

We have been in trouble a few times.

I'm not arguing against that at all, but I took his quote as saying that if you are watching us play zone, you're also watching a game where we are getting beaten so badly that it doesn't resemble a basketball game.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I'm not arguing against that at all, but I took his quote as saying that if you are watching us play zone, you're also watching a game where we are getting beaten so badly that it doesn't resemble a basketball game.

Yeah, I know. If guys float on D already, they will lose focus even more in a zone. Guys that stand around won't be playing in a couple of years, and we should see one from time to time.

 

[possumslayer]

CCM clearly has no idea what he's doing out there. Get rid of this Bozo and go drop a mountain of cash on Brad Steven's doorstep.
















My post is sarcastic, but someone else's like this will serious by the end of the day.

true,from today till next season ..
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[10acvols]

kinda be nice if we had a full court press. we're better in transition than i thought we would be and as defense minded as ccm wants to be i think i would just make alot of sense.

 

[zjcvols]

kinda be nice if we had a full court press. we're better in transition than i thought we would be and as defense minded as ccm wants to be i think i would just make alot of sense.

Usually a team presses when they want to speed the game up.

CCM wants to limit possessions.

 

[BasketVolKid]

Playing against a zone, no matter how good your front court is, you HAVE to knock down threes. Andy Kennedy's approach was obviously to play a sagging zone all night, no matter how many threes UT was making. He gambled that UT's guards wouldn't be able to make enough, and he happened to be right. Not Martin's fault.

This is a common misunderstanding about how to beat a zone defense. I would not characterize the Ole Miss's zone as sagging at all. Practically every 3 we took was contested.

Yes, if a team goes to a zone and you bust a couple three's... they are likely to give up it and go back to man.

But, hitting 3's is not THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO BEAT A ZONE. Yes, it's the quick and easy way but it's not the ONLY way.

We saw little if any dibble penetration against the zone. We saw very few "skip passes" which can be used frequently and effectively against a zone. Getting the ball to the high post (just below free throw line area) is the way to collapse the zone. When we did that we got good shots... and we have THE PERFECT 4 man for playing the high post in Maymon, a good passer, and a good scorer when catching the ball 12-15 from the basket. When just didn't get it to him enough.

Also, it is a complete misnomer that you can't score by getting the ball inside verse a zone. There were at least 4 occasions where either Maymon or Stokes were WIDE FREEKIN OPEN on the low post and the guards just would not throw it inside.

You can also run specific plays and picks/screens versus a zone... which is easier than you might think since you basically know where each defensive player is going to be depending on the where the ball is. We did none of this.

I like CCM and don't want him fired or any other such nonsense. BUT, our guys have not been prepared very well to beat a basic 2-3 zone defense.

 

[royboyvol]

I'm sorry, but a quickly taught, never executed, poorly played zone would have been even worse. If he wants to put in a zone over the off-season, then that's his call, but I don't think you do something you have NEVER done before for the first time in a tournament game.

 

[MemphisCanes]

This is a common misunderstanding about how to beat a zone defense. I would not characterize the Ole Miss's zone as sagging at all. Practically every 3 we took was contested.

Yes, if a team goes to a zone and you bust a couple three's... they are likely to give up it and go back to man.

But, hitting 3's is not THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO BEAT A ZONE. Yes, it's the quick and easy way but it's not the ONLY way.

We saw little if any dibble penetration against the zone. We saw very few "skip passes" which can be used frequently and effectively against a zone. Getting the ball to the high post (just below free throw line area) is the way to collapse the zone. When we did that we got good shots... and we have THE PERFECT 4 man for playing the high post in Maymon, a good passer, and a good scorer when catching the ball 12-15 from the basket. When just didn't get it to him enough.

Also, it is a complete misnomer that you can't score by getting the ball inside verse a zone. There were at least 4 occasions where either Maymon or Stokes were WIDE FREEKIN OPEN on the low post and the guards just would not throw it inside.

You can also run specific plays and picks/screens versus a zone... which is easier than you might think since you basically know where each defensive player is going to be depending on the where the ball is. We did none of this.

I like CCM and don't want him fired or any other such nonsense. BUT, our guys have not been prepared very well to beat a basic 2-3 zone defense.

I didn't mean to come across as saying the "only way to beat a zone is to shoot threes". It helps a lot though.

I noticed Martin trying to get Stokes into the high post several times, to try dump down passes in the low post to Maymon or whoever else was at the 4. Stokes got several passes poked away.

As for dribble penetration, Golden and McRae are really the only ones that have the skills to do that. McRae tried, I saw. The rest of the time the guards settled for 3s, and only McBee was on target, unfortunately.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

And coach needs to reevaluate. I really think we have 2-4 more wins if we have a zone to go in order to change it up or stop a run. If he wants his players to do whatever it takes to win, he needs to do the same as the HC.

Good season, and bright future. Please realize people, that its ok to question the coach, and give him your full support at the same time.

This is negavol talk, no?

 

[SlyStone]

Your bigs are in foul trouble and your opponent is running pick and rolls and taking the ball inside and scoring on your ineffective man defense the entire second half. The situation cried out for a switch to a zone defense--and he did nothing.

On offense, Martin did the same thing--nothing. We couldn't get the ball inside, so we passed it around on the outside and then launched a three. Same thing the entire second half. The offensive situation was a little more understandable--the Vols apparently have no depth. hmy:

What was Martin doing?
Coaching which is something you're obviously not qualified to do. When your team is shooting 28% we should be lucky it got too overtime.

 

[tenn fever]

Try watching our man doesn't play zone.Shoot 28% and see how many games you win lucky we kept it close