What will be satisfactory for Fulmer

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DAVOL

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My feeling is he should have to have atleast 8 REGULAR season wins next year or it is time to move in a new direction the day it becomes mathematically impossible to get 8 he should submit his resignation or be fired. :realmad:
 
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I honestly don't think expectations will change one bit. He will be expected to contend for the SEC period.
 
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The expectations of the program should not be adjusted downward to meet the problems created by the coach who brought them down in the first place.

Does that mean we set up a win or else you're gone number of W's? I don't think so. Ultimatums usually aren't good when there are so many variables.

However, I stand by my recent statements: CPF ignored the problems when they began years ago, so his first reclaimation project became his last.
 
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 21, 2005 11:54 AM
The expectations of the program should not be adjusted downward to meet the problems created by the coach who brought them down in the first place.

Does that mean we set up a win or else you're gone number of W's?  I don't think so.  Ultimatums usually aren't good when there are so many variables.

However, I stand by my recent statements: CPF ignored the problems when they began years ago, so his first reclaimation project became his last.
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YEP!
 
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Truth.....with Spurrier at South Carolina, we had better get ready to start finishing 4th in the SEC East every year!!
 
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Originally posted by WesCharge@Nov 21, 2005 12:56 PM
Truth.....with Spurrier at South Carolina, we had better get ready to start finishing 4th in the SEC East every year!!
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That's a terrible way to look at it... Spurrier turned and ran for the NFL b/c Phil had actually started to BEAT him. In the Swamp no less... If Phil was able to beat Spurrier at Florida in a time that all of the people on here say was the beginning of the end for us, then he can do it to Spurrier at USC. Give me a break.
 
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Originally posted by rwemyss@Nov 21, 2005 3:11 PM
That's a terrible way to look at it... Spurrier turned and ran for the NFL b/c Phil had actually started to BEAT him.  In the Swamp no less...  If Phil was able to beat Spurrier at Florida in a time that all of the people on here say was the beginning of the end for us, then he can do it to Spurrier at USC.  Give me a break.
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You honestly think Spurrier went to the NFL because Fulmer beat him one time at home? Come on now! :wacko:
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 24, 2005 11:49 PM
You honestly think Spurrier went to the NFL because Fulmer beat him one time at home? Come on now! :wacko:
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It's pure delusion. Spurrier has proven once again that he can outcoach Fulmer and beat him with a lot less talent.
 
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My expectations are for Fulmer to contend for the SEC title and do it with a disciplined team. No more sloppy routes, stupid penalties, and police reports! If that means running off some talent, then so be it.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 21, 2005 10:48 AM
I honestly don't think expectations will change one bit.  He will be expected to contend for the SEC period.
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Amen :bow: :bow:
 
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We gave the game to Spurrier this year. I too, think Spurrier prior to leaving tthe SEC, wasn't out-coaching Fulmer. I can say though if the Vols don't come up with a way to stop the third and long passes(against any team) they will have trouble going 7-4 next season.




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Can you define "Contend for the SEC?" Kentucky "contends for the SEC" until about their 2nd or 3rd SEC game.

I also agree that saying that PF has do win 8 or 9 to keep his job is crazy.

It's hard to quantify football success if you want to demand a certain number of wins, but to me, the hallmarks of a good football program are

1. Don't cheat.
2. Graduate your players that you recruit.
3. Win all the games you should win, pull off a few that you shouldn't win.
4. Beat your rival most years.
5. Go to a major bowl every few years, compete for a MNC once or twice per decade.
 
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Originally posted by Brian McCat@Nov 25, 2005 10:01 AM
Can you define "Contend for the SEC?"  Kentucky "contends for the SEC" until about their 2nd or 3rd SEC game.

I also agree that saying that PF has do win 8 or 9 to keep his job is crazy. 

It's hard to quantify football success if you want to demand a certain number of wins, but to me, the hallmarks of a good football program are

1.  Don't cheat.
2.  Graduate your players that you recruit.
3.  Win all the games you should win, pull off a few that you shouldn't win.
4.  Beat your rival most years.
5.  Go to a major bowl every few years, compete for a MNC once or twice per decade.
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Perfect example of differences between a KY football fan and a UT football fan.

If it were basketball, those standards would not satisfy the average UK fan (or me either for that matter).
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 25, 2005 10:08 AM
Perfect example of differences between a KY football fan and a UT football fan. 

If it were basketball, those standards would not satisfy the average UK fan (or me either for that matter).
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Yeah, you're probably right. ;)

Even then, we have our unreasonable, idiotic basketball fans that demand Tubby's resignation, even though Tubby is winning games at a higher percentage than Adolph Rupp, Joe Hall, or Rick Pitino.

It's just crazy to me to expect the Cats in a final four every year. But I do expect the Cats to contend for and win most of the SEC championships.
 
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No you can't expect that every year, but you and I both know they better get back soon. Seven years is too long. IMO this Jared Carter kid is going to be solid by the end of this year. A few bounces the right way, and a little improvement at the small forward position ala Crawford fitting into that role, the Cats can make it back to the final four this year.

The Vols better find their way back to the BCS pretty darn soon as well. The drought has been way too long.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 25, 2005 10:26 AM
The drought has been way too long.
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Yes, it has. Tubby can get the job done, and I agree with you about Carter-- he will be a good one. But we're going to need better post play to get into a FF. Shag and Woo are almost just as bad as when they first arrived in Lex.
 
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We had better win the SEC East next year. There is no excuse not to. UGA is losing a lot of people, SC is winnable, UF is winnable. If not, at least 9-2.
The CAL game scares me.
 
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The Cal game is scary, but the schedule next year is so much more favorable it's ridiculous.
 
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Last I checked, bama, SoCar, UF, UGA, LSU, and ND are on the 06 schedule. I don't think that's easier.

I won't say what # of wins would be a success, but I would like to see us go undefeated at home. The magic of playing at Neyland is gone. 108k fans should make it a lot tougher to win there and should be a lot nosier than it is.
 
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Originally posted by JohnsonCityVol@Nov 25, 2005 10:04 PM
Last I checked, bama, SoCar, UF, UGA, LSU, and ND are on the 06 schedule. I don't think that's easier.
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ND goes off the schedule.

The reason I say it's easier is that we get Alabama, Florida and LSU at home. In fact, we play 9 games in the state of Tennessee with our only out of state trips being to Athens, Columbia and Fayetteville. To me, that beats the heck out of going to places like Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville and South Bend.

Then again, we proved this year that we could lay down at home just as well as we could on the road. :dunno:
 
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Originally posted by Jmxvol@Nov 25, 2005 10:48 AM
We had better win the SEC East next year. There is no excuse not to. UGA is losing a lot of people, SC is winnable, UF is winnable. If not, at least 9-2.
The CAL game scares me.
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We could go 9-2 and people would still be complaining about the two losses.

We could go 10-1 and the nancies would be complaining about that 1 loss and how Fulmer choked.
 
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