What will be satisfactory for Fulmer

#26
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 25, 2005 10:56 PM
We could go 9-2 and people would still be complaining about the two losses.

We could go 10-1 and the nancies would be complaining about that 1 loss and how Fulmer choked.
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After this season if anyone complains about 10-1 there should be a hit squad instituted to ferret them out!! :aggressive:
 
#27
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Nov 25, 2005 10:11 PM
After this season if anyone complains about 10-1 there should be a hit squad instituted to ferret them out!!  :aggressive:
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#28
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Nov 25, 2005 11:11 PM
After this season if anyone complains about 10-1 there should be a hit squad instituted to ferret them out!!  :aggressive:
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I agree that 10-1 is always a great season. However, if we use this season as a benchmark, Fulmer will benefit from dumbing down expectations. He made this mess. It makes no sense to allow him to use it to his advantage. An 8-3 season next year should not be seen as improvement, but as yet another subpar year by UT standards.
 
#29
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 25, 2005 11:28 PM
I agree that 10-1 is always a great season. However, if we use this season as a benchmark, Fulmer will benefit from dumbing down expectations. He made this mess. It makes no sense to allow him to use it to his advantage. An 8-3 season next year should not be seen as improvement, but as yet another subpar year by UT standards.
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I see what you're saying, that 8-3 is subpar, but wouldn't it be great to be 8-3 this year. Here's hoping that the powers that be see your point..
 
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I'm saying 8-3 or 9-2. Just too tough in the SEC...a little luck and you can go 10-1, but those days for most of the teams in this league are going to be hard to come by.
 
#31
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Nov 26, 2005 12:03 AM
I'm saying 8-3 or 9-2.  Just too tough in the SEC...a little luck and you can go 10-1, but those days for most of the teams in this league are going to be hard to come by.
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Can't argue with that due to the influx of top notch coaches in the SEC. What with Darth Visor, Richt, Urban Cowboy (??), Miles (??), Tubby etc., our staff better be able to come up with viable answers to the new questions posed in order to be successful. That's why it is of the utmost importance to hire assistants that have the experience to counter the new wave offenses and defenses. The ball is in your court now, Coach Fulmer....
 
#32
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 25, 2005 10:28 PM
An 8-3 season next year should not be seen as improvement, but as yet another subpar year by UT standards.
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Anything less then an SEC Title is subpar to some.

So I guess if UGA doesn't win the SEC this year, they should fire Richt.

Heck, Tubs only has 1 SEC Title too....damn near fire him as well!
 
#33
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 26, 2005 12:34 AM
Anything less then an SEC Title is subpar to some.

So I guess if UGA doesn't win the SEC this year, they should fire Richt.

Heck, Tubs only has 1 SEC Title too....damn near fire him as well!
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What the hell, I guess setting the bar high is the name of the game. Why not??
 
#34
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 25, 2005 11:34 PM
Anything less then an SEC Title is subpar to some.

So I guess if UGA doesn't win the SEC this year, they should fire Richt.

Heck, Tubs only has 1 SEC Title too....damn near fire him as well!
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Actually it was none other than coach Fulmer who set the bar that high, saying that sucess at UT is winning conference championships and being "in the mix" nationally. Anything less, such as a 7-4 peach Bowl crap next year should constitute reasons for dismissal.
 
#35
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 25, 2005 10:56 PM
We could go 9-2 and people would still be complaining about the two losses.

We could go 10-1 and the nancies would be complaining about that 1 loss and how Fulmer choked.
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I'd combine this with Brian the FeeLion's* standards and disagree and agree with you both... :blink:

I'm at the stage (and I think our program is on the edge of the stage) where both a good and a bad W-L record next year could be irrelevant to the real problems we're having.

We've had 9 to 10 win seasons during our 7 year downward slide against ranked teams. Getting 9-10 wins while looking the same old inconsistent and goofy isn't improvement.

At the same time, don't you have to flip that around? I mean, if W-L records mean less than how our program is actually doing in terms of healing its problems, then don't you have to be happy with a 5-6 record in a season where we are demonstrating a genuine "rebuilding" of our discipline, class, confidence and tradition?

What I want for Christmas is to be able to keep on flapping my mouth without losing my two front teeth.

What I want from the Vols next year is just some sort of evidence that we are seriously dedicated to the ressurecting of our broken-down gonads, and the idea that, "If we rebuild them, they will...." .... well, you know what I mean.







* You're an opponent. I'm required by law to make fun of your name.


 
#36
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Originally posted by rockydoc@Nov 26, 2005 12:42 AM
Actually it was none other than coach Fulmer who set the bar that high, saying that sucess at UT is winning conference championships and being "in the mix" nationally. Anything less, such as a 7-4 peach Bowl crap next year should constitute reasons for dismissal.
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Touche!! Stand up for what you espouse!!
 
#37
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 25, 2005 10:10 PM
ND goes off the schedule. 

The reason I say it's easier is that we get Alabama, Florida and LSU at home.  In fact, we play 9 games in the state of Tennessee with our only out of state trips being to Athens, Columbia and Fayetteville.  To me, that beats the heck out of going to places like Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, Gainesville and South Bend.

Then again, we proved this year that we could lay down at home just as well as we could on the road.  :dunno:
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Yeah I screwed up on the ND part. I realized that after I posted. I agree that it is easier looking at the places we have to travel to, but those games at home aren't really as much of an edge for us as they used to be. I think Texas Stadium makes more noise during Cowboys games, and it only holds 68k.

I want Neyland to be the Cameron Indoor Arena of college football. It has the history, it's an old structure, it should be completely inhospitable to visiting teams. And that's coming from a Carolina Basketball fan.
 
#38
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 25, 2005 10:28 PM
I agree that 10-1 is always a great season.
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I don't agree at all. Not only that, I'd be satisfied with a 7-4 under some circumstances.

Namely, I will only be satisfied with a well-coached team that leaves its game on the field and that knows how to behave off the field. Beyond that...well, that's why they play 'em.
 
#39
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 25, 2005 10:56 PM
We could go 9-2 and people would still be complaining about the two losses.

We could go 10-1 and the nancies would be complaining about that 1 loss and how Fulmer choked.
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Depends on when and to whom the two losses come. Go undefeated and lose to VAN and KY and it would be a bad year, no? But that would be one of CPF's best years. He's lost 2 or fewer games on occasion only (5 times in 14 seasons).

Everything is relative.
 
#40
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Nov 25, 2005 11:41 PM
What the hell, I guess setting the bar high is the name of the game. Why not??
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And Fulmer with 2 SEC Titles and 4 East Titles has set it that high proving over and over he can get us there and win it.
 
#41
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 26, 2005 2:12 AM
And Fulmer with 2 SEC Titles and 4 East Titles has set it that high proving over and over he can get us there and win it.
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How is winning 2 SEC titles in 14 years winning "over and over?" CPF has proven he can win at a consistently high level, but he is hardly what I would consider a great coach.

There are no such things as SEC East Championships -- those are seedings. You either win the SEC or you do not. After that, the finish is somewhat screwy now with the extra game.
 
#42
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Here's my question: As a Vol fan, when was the last time the team was in a big game or an SEC title game that you felt at the outset a degree of confidence that we could win as opposed to "holy cow, I hope we don't blow it"? There was a day when I had ultimate confidence the Big Orange would win and was shocked when it didn't happen. That's a much better feeling than thinking after a loss "Oh well, I'm not surprised we lost". Please get us back to the mindset that if we lose a game we are shocked, Coach!!!
 
#43
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Originally posted by Brian McCat@Nov 25, 2005 10:01 AM
Can you define "Contend for the SEC?"  Kentucky "contends for the SEC" until about their 2nd or 3rd SEC game.

I also agree that saying that PF has do win 8 or 9 to keep his job is crazy. 

It's hard to quantify football success if you want to demand a certain number of wins, but to me, the hallmarks of a good football program are

1.  Don't cheat.
2.  Graduate your players that you recruit.
3.  Win all the games you should win, pull off a few that you shouldn't win.
4.  Beat your rival most years.
5.  Go to a major bowl every few years, compete for a MNC once or twice per decade.
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I agree with Brian and with MemphisVol. "Win all the games you should win". That may not always satisify all the fans but it is realistic. I want to see the team with fire in their bellies and playing their best. Losing a game to a team that beats you is hard but you can live with it; losing the way we did this year is...

(I can't think of a word bad, hurtful and humiliating enough to use.)

BTW, welcome Brian. I hope you post more. It's good for some of us fans to realize that there are classy, inteligent fans at other schools.
 
#44
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 26, 2005 2:12 AM
And Fulmer with 2 SEC Titles and 4 East Titles has set it that high proving over and over he can get us there and win it.
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As long, in the last 7 years, his teams don't have to win it themselves, but can count on 1. other teams losing; and, 2., the kind of fans who think it's just as cool to win by default as by talent.

Who needs the kind of fans who count SOS? Let's move UT to the Mountain West. Then our W-L record will be REALLY big!! And, after all, aren't W-L stats, regardless of who or how you've played the only thing that really matters?

C'mon guys. We're UT. Empty stats ain't us. We aren't about saying, "Yeah, we lost to all the ranked teams we played but we went 10-2." We're about how and who we play.
 
#45
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Good discussion on this thread. If Fulmer can regain his pre-Randy Sanders MOJO, more power to him. We will all be happy. I'm just not as optimist as Mr. U-T. Let's just not lower the bar. We are Tennessee,second only to Bama in SEC and national rings.
 
#46
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 26, 2005 12:34 AM
Anything less then an SEC Title is subpar to some.

So I guess if UGA doesn't win the SEC this year, they should fire Richt.

Heck, Tubs only has 1 SEC Title too....damn near fire him as well!
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Anything less than an SEC title in 7 years is subpar, wouldn't you agree?
 
#47
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Originally posted by MemphisVol@Nov 26, 2005 4:07 AM
As long, in the last 7 years, his teams don't have to win it themselves, but can count on 1. other teams losing; and, 2., the kind of fans who think it's just as cool to win by default as by talent.

Who needs the kind of fans who count SOS?  Let's move UT to the Mountain West.  Then our W-L record will be REALLY big!!  And, after all, aren't W-L stats, regardless of who or how you've played the only thing that really matters?

C'mon guys.  We're UT.  Empty stats ain't us.  We aren't about saying, "Yeah, we lost to all the ranked teams we played but we went 10-2."  We're about how and who we play.
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It's cliche, but if you aim low, that is what you are going to hit. I would hate to see UT go through a period of mediocrity because the standards of winning were lowered.
 
#48
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Originally posted by U-T@Nov 26, 2005 2:12 AM
And Fulmer with 2 SEC Titles and 4 East Titles has set it that high proving over and over he can get us there and win it.
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Being at the top of the East is a pretty good accomplishment, but that's not why we pay Fulmer 2.5 million. I'm not one who thinks that we should win the SEC every year but like Liper mentioned, we should have more SEC titles than 2 in 14 years. You would think that someone with such a good winning percentage could do that.
 
#49
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he will win 7 games next year. hamilton will give him a payraise and tell him what a great job he has done turning the team around.
 
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