What would you choose?

#27
#27
I would rather watch Talladega on TV than watch the Sox and Rays. If my Dodgers are playing than I would go to the game.
 
#29
#29
Peavy and Santana are good names to throw into this conversation, but I just think Beckett is so consistent and Webb's slider is just sick.

Ultimately 42 1/3 scoreless innings makes me give the nod to Webb.
 
#30
#30
There really isn't any pitcher who straddles the majors like a colossus, a la Maddux or Martinez in the 90s. I'd probably take Webb, but you could make a case for any of about a half-dozen guys.

volfanbill said:
Ultimately 42 1/3 scoreless innings makes me give the nod to Webb.
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This guy says Brandon Webb sucks:

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#32
#32
Santana is a great pitcher, and a decent argument can be made that he's the best pitcher in the game right now. I still think the back half of that ginormous contract is likely to look pretty ugly to Mets. If they win a WS in the next few years, though, I doubt they'll care much.
 
#33
#33
Vercingetorix said:
Santana is a great pitcher, and a decent argument can be made that he's the best pitcher in the game right now. I still think the back half of that ginormous contract is likely to look pretty ugly to Mets. If they win a WS in the next few years, though, I doubt they'll care much.
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I agree that long-term pitching contracts tend to be ugly toward the back, but he really doesn't throw any pitches that will be overly tough on his arm. He stays healthy and he's going to be tough to deal with for many years. Nonetheless, his shoulder starts hurting, look out.
 
#34
#34
watch the race. the st pete stadium is a horrid place to watch a game i have been told.
 
#36
#36
BigPapaVol said:
I agree that long-term pitching contracts tend to be ugly toward the back, but he really doesn't throw any pitches that will be overly tough on his arm. He stays healthy and he's going to be tough to deal with for many years. Nonetheless, his shoulder starts hurting, look out.
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It's not him in particular; as you say, it's pitchers in general. It's not unusual for a great hitter to stay near the top of his profession for five or six or even ten years, but the list of "best pitchers in the league" usually turns completely over every four or five years. At the end of Santanta's contract, he'll be in his mid-thirties and making Alex Rodriguez-type money -- and the likelihood that he'll still be one of the top 15-20 pitchers in baseball is not great.
 
#39
#39
Vercingetorix said:
Half a dozen guys have pitched better than Webb so far. Just in the National League.
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it's really hard to catch sarcasm in written form sometimes and if this isn't sarcasm, I'm not sure I follow at all.

a 2.09 ERA, leads the NL in innings pitched, 41 Ks compared to 16 BBs, and he's 8-0. What more do you want out of the kid?
 
#40
#40
volfanbill said:
it's really hard to catch sarcasm in written form sometimes and if this isn't sarcasm, I'm not sure I follow at all.

a 2.09 ERA, leads the NL in innings pitched, 41 Ks compared to 16 BBs, and he's 8-0. What more do you want out of the kid?
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NL ERA leaders:

Volquez-CIN 1.06
Lincecum-SFG 1.49
Zambrano-CHC 1.80
Olsen-FLA 2.22
Peavy-SDP 2.22
Wainwright-STL 2.25
Sheets-MIL 2.29
Cook-COL 2.40
Webb-ARI 2.49
Dempster-CHC 2.72

Volquez is 5-1 on a team that is 9-20 in all its other games. Lincecum is 4-1 on a SF team that can't score. His ERA is a run lower a game than Webb's, and Volquez's is almost a run and a half lower. Zambrano has a 1.80 ERA in Wrigley. Wainwright's WHIP (walks + hits / innings pitched) is under 1.0. Peavy and Webb have had about exactly the same year so far, but since Peavy's team sucks and Webb's is blowing the division away, Peavy's "only" 4-1 while Webb is 8-0. SDG: 3.3 runs per game; ARI: 5.7. Switch teams, and Peavy's the one who's already running away with the Cy Young.

EDIT: (I see that the numbers above (from baseball-reference) don't include Webb's CG tonight, but I don't know that it changes anything about my larger point. Webb is having a great year. But it sure doesn't hurt that he's playing for the team with the best record in the league.)
 
#41
#41
espn's stat page shows 2.09 for his ERA, the game wrap site on ESPN says 2.23 and MLB.com has it as 2.43. I know baseball reference hasn't updated yet... Also, Webb's WHIP is 1.0

anyways. Outside of Peavy and possibly Wainwright, I wouldn't trust anyone else's numbers to stay around where they are now. Between past performances and this start, I still choose Brandon Webb as the best pitcher in baseball. It's not his fault he's on a great team right now
 
#42
#42
i guess ben sheets numbers may stay near there, but I have June 3rd in the office pool as his next trip to the DL.
 
#43
#43
I was largely trotting out the list of ERA leaders to give you some crap because you were crowing about Webb when it's still the first week of May. Sorry. But seriously, I just don't see how Webb has any better a year so far than several guys. His team's just scoring 6 runs a game behind him.

There's no doubt IMO that the two best pitchers in the NL are Webb and Peavy, and really, I don't think there's much to pick between the two of them. They're close to the same guy. Webb's been a little bit better, but Peavy's two years younger. Johan Santana will probably have something to say about this conversation, though. As will Lincecum, if the Giants can avoid blowing his arm out.

I'm sure there are probably a half-dozen guys over in the AL who are having just as good a year as Webb too, but I haven't looked yet.
 
#44
#44
Vercingetorix said:
I was largely trotting out the list of ERA leaders to give you some crap because you were crowing about Webb when it's still the first week of May. Sorry.

There is no doubt IMO that the two best pitchers in the NL are Webb and Peavy, and really, I don't think there's much to pick between the two of them. They're close to the same guy. Webb's been a little bit better, but Peavy's two years younger. Johan Santana will probably have a little bit to say about this conversation, though. As will Lincecum, if the Giants can avoid blowing his arm out.

I'm sure there are probably a half-dozen guys over in the AL who are having just as good a year as Webb too, but I haven't looked yet.
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i can't deny a number of good pitchers are having great years, but are you really willing to put Cliff Lee of the Indians over Webb?:p I know I'm not until he finishes the year with an ERA under 1.

I watched the end of the game and thought about Finey asking if Beckett was the best in the bigs so I brought it back up.

On a side note, some rookie in my fantasy league dropped Oswalt after he started 0-3. I snagged him right up and have been enjoying his stats ever since.
 
#45
#45
Oswalt's a great pitcher. Anybody who dumped him after an 0-3 start is an idiot. Wow.

I've been sitting here looking at this a little bit more in-depth, and Peavy and Webb really have had almost exactly the same year. Each has given up four runs once, and three runs or fewer in each of his other starts. I might even give the edge to Peavy because he's had two starts of 7 innings plus and zero runs, whereas Webb has given up at least one run in every start. Still, it's uncanny how equal they've been. And Webb is 8-0, while Peavy is 4-1. No fair.
 
#46
#46
it's tough to realize that pitching in a "pitcher's park" can hurt you just as much as it helps you. The Padres have been dreadful on offense. Of course, they've been dreadful in just about every stadium they've been to on the young year.
 
#47
#47
I just wanted to pull this thread back up to point out that right now, Braves' rookie Jair Jurrjens has a better ERA (2.64) than Mr. Everything, Brandon Webb (2.69)......
 
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