What's the matter with Obama?

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#26
You know, becuase obviously a country that has done so much to distance themselves from Nazism is going to leave a symbol of Nazi victory standing, but throw people in jail for displaying swastikas... amazing logic
 
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therealUT said:
They just want to something to ***** about and feel more important on the world stage. **** off, Poland.
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Poland has been raising this issue vigorously since 1989.

For Obama to make this mistake and then to casually dismiss it is indeed telling Poland to **** off.

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The tower gs is referring to was built to remember the Danish-Prussian War...
 
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volved said:
Poland has been raising this issue vigorously since 1989.

For Obama to make this mistake and then to casually dismiss it is indeed telling Poland to **** off.
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1. Poland should be told to f*** off.

2. Poland was the locale of numerous pogroms against the Jews prior to WWII, in which hundreds of Jews were systematically murdered.

3. Poland fought for a little over a day against the Wehrmacht before giving in; further, many Poles were not only complicit with the Nazi treatment of the Jews but in fact supported the Nazi administrators of the Warsaw Ghetto, Auschwitz, and Buchenwald.

4. Poland was one of the few places where pogroms against the Jews occurred post WWII. In 1946, the Kielce Polgrom was responsible for targeting and killing around 50 Jews in Poland.

5. What Obama said was linguistically correct and was the truth. They were "Polish death camps" insofar as they were death camps located in Poland.
 
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I really don't fault the Poles for falling so quickly, like I said in another thread, no European nation at the onset of the war was prepared to face the Wehrmacht.
 
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therealUT said:
1. Poland should be told to f*** off.

2. Poland was the locale of numerous pogroms against the Jews prior to WWII, in which hundreds of Jews were systematically murdered

3. Poland fought for a little over a day against the Wehrmacht before giving in; further, many Poles were not only complicit with the Nazi treatment of the Jews but in fact supported the Nazi administrators of the Warsaw Ghetto, Auschwitz, and Buchenwald.

4. Poland was one of the few places where pogroms against the Jews occurred post WWII. In 1946, the Kielce Polgrom was responsible for targeting and killing around 50 Jews in Poland.

5. What Obama said was linguistically correct and was the truth. They were "Polish death camps" insofar as they were death camps located in Poland.
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From the American Jewish Congress:

We would also like to remind those who are either unaware of the facts or careless in their choice of words, as has been the case with some media outlets, that Auschwitz-Birkenau and the other death camps, including Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka, were conceived, built and operated by Nazi Germany and its allies.

The camps were located in German-occupied Poland, the European country with by far the largest Jewish population, but they were most emphatically not "Polish camps".

This is not a mere semantic matter. Historical integrity and accuracy hang in the balance.
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Statement on Poland and the Auschwitz Commemoration
 
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volved said:
From the American Jewish Congress:

Statement on Poland and the Auschwitz Commemoration
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More:

ScottFactor.com Conservative Blog

Newsbusters has a compilation of Obama’s word and deed blunders that is more than a year old, but it is still staggering to see dozens and dozens of the most outrageous statements and goofs by Obama. You will likely remember most of them as you see them, but here is a short list of Obama’s lowlights: He “confuses” his “Christianity” for his Muslim faith, he says ATMs cause unemployment, he referenced the “bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor,” he “saw” dead people at a Memorial Day ceremony, he called Europe a country, he claimed that his election would slow the rise of the oceans, he thinks “Austrian” is a language, he did not want his daughters to be “punished” with a baby, he called them Navy “corpsemen,” he said he had visited 57 US states, and that is only a fraction of his gaffes.

This latest Obama blunder has managed to outrage the people of an entire nation and Poles all around the world. Poland’s Prime Minister Donald Tusk expressed his outrage on Wednesday as reported by Bloomberg,

“We can’t accept such words in Poland, even if they are spoken by a leader of an allied country. … Saying Polish concentration camps is as if there was no German responsibility, no Hitler.”
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As Nile Gardiner wrote in a column posted at the UK Telegraph,

“President Obama has a long track record of insulting the Poles. In 2010 he chose to play golf on the day of the funeral of the Polish President Lech Kaczynski, the Polish First Lady, and 94 senior officials who perished in the Smolensk air disaster. Eight months earlier he humiliated Warsaw by pulling out of the agreement over Third Site missile [defense] installations in Poland and the Czech Republic.”

So, once again Obama is treating one of our allies like trash, by wrongly tying Poland’s name to the Holocaust. He continues his track record of being a no-class, socialist, scourge on the US Presidency.
As I wrote back in August of 2010,

“Almost from the moment he was inaugurated, he began showing his contempt for the position and his disdain for our country, whether it was sending the bust of Churchill back to Britain, or snubbing some of our closest allies, or apologizing all over the world for our great nation, he has been nothing but a shameful worm infesting the Oval Office.
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Burhead said:
The tower gs is referring to was built to remember the Danish-Prussian War...
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While it is true the monument was built and erected to commerate a Prussian victory, Hitler had it moved on his 50th birthday in 1939 and redicated to nazi victories and is still known in Germany by Germans as the Hitler victory column.

Column of victory (Siegessauele), Berlin

The swasticka was around long before Hitler but today is synonymous with the national socialists.

Even then, why would Obama choose to speak a symbolic emblem of Prussian victory and decline the invitation (almost insistence) of the German government to speak at the Brandenberg gate which symbolizes the fall of soviet socialism and the liberation of East Germany?







PimpVol said:
Did he swing by the ranch and do any "bushhogging"?
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Nah, just some southside drivebys.

There has been a lot of "bushblaming" though. :)
 
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gsvol said:
Even then, why would Obama choose to speak a symbolic emblem of Prussian victory and decline the invitation (almost insistence) of the German government to speak at the Brandenberg gate which symbolizes the fall of soviet socialism and the liberation of East Germany?
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You do mean Merkel's insistence that he not speak at Brandenburg (you might spell it correctly if you are so concerned with it) Gate?

Barack Obama's campaign team has responded to Angela Merkel's apparent discomfort over his bid to hold a speech at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin. A spokesman for the chancellor said his choice to hold the speech at the historic setting was "odd" and that Merkel has "little sympathy for the Brandenburg Gate being used for electioneering and has expressed her doubts about the idea." But Obama's planners are still pushing ahead as they prepare the visit in less than two weeks' time.
"Senator Obama looks forward to his visit to Germany and his opportunity to meet with the chancellor," Obama spokesman Bill Burton told the Associated Press on Wednesday He has considered several sites for a possible speech, and he will choose one that makes the most sense for him and his German hosts."

A number of locations are being considered for the keynote speech on trans-Atlantic relations. Sources have told SPIEGEL ONLINE that a number of Berlin organizations have offered to host Obama for his July 24 address in Berlin.

On Wednesday, German government spokesman Thomas Steg, speaking on behalf of Merkel, said that events at the Brandenburg Gate have always been non-partisan in the past. "This kind of electioneering abroad is unusual," Steg said, noting that an Obama appearance at the historically significant Brandenburg Gate would also likely trigger a debate back in the United States.

Ultimately, the decision on whether Obama can speak at the Brandenburg Gate will be made by the government of the city of Berlin. According to report in the Friday edition of the Hannoverschen Neuen Presse newspaper, city officials in Berlin's Mitte district have reserved the Brandenburg Gate for the Democratic Party politician on July 24. Mayor Klaus Wowereit has also expressed his support for using the site for Obama's speech.

Brandenburg Gate Controversy: Obama Reacts to Debate in Berlin - SPIEGEL ONLINE
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therealUT said:
You do mean Merkel's insistence that he not speak at Brandenburg (you might spell it correctly if you are so concerned with it) Gate?
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What you chose to put forth was the Obama campaign spin on the event and of course the lame stream media ran with that angle.

Actually Merkel was objecting to Obama using the site to electioneer or any location in Germany for that matter.

Merkel warns Obama not to use landmark for ‘electioneering’ | AAJ News

The conservative leader said that while she would be pleased to meet the US Democratic presidential hopeful, it would be wrong for him to hold a “campaign rally” at the historic symbol of German unification. “It is unusual to do electioneering abroad,” spokesman Thomas Steg told reporters.

“It is unusual to hold election rallies abroad. No German candidate for high office would even think of using the National Mall (in Washington) or Red Square in Moscow for a rally because it would not be seen as appropriate.”
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Foreign ministry spokesman Jens Ploetner said Steinmeier, a Social Democrat, was eager to meet Obama after speaking with him on the phone in April, and said his likely Republican opponent John McCain should also be welcome to speak at the Brandenburg Gate if he chose to.
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Your own Spiegel article reads:

According to report in the Friday edition of the Hannoverschen Neuen Presse newspaper, city officials in Berlin's Mitte district have reserved the Brandenburg Gate for the Democratic Party politician on July 24. Mayor Klaus Wowereit has also expressed his support for using the site for Obama's speech.
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So if Obama was going to ignore Merkel's objection to running his presidential campaign in Germany, why not just ignore her objection to the site of the speech as well? Or could he have even chosen some other site that wasn't so politically sensitive?

At any rate, everyone knew Obama would use the occasion to criticize America.

OBAMA LIKENS US TO NAZI GERMANY: DER FUHRER WOULD KNOW - Atlas Shrugs

In a radio interview in 2001, Barack Obama likened the United States to Nazi Germany. The shocking statement was made in the same interview in which he lamented the "great tragedy" that the courts could not spread wealth through "redistributive change."

The web site Little Green Footballs broke the scoop that Obama compares the "doctrines of Nazism…to what we have going on, back here at home." The remark came during a discussion of the United States at the time of Brown vs. The Board of Education.

Obama said, "…just to take a, sort of a realist perspective…there's a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean you've got World War II, you've got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home."

Senator Obama did not offer his critique of Nazism in July, when he spoke in Berlin to 200,00 cheering Germans in front of Hitler's Victory Column. Instead, he criticized America for actions that "have not lived up to our best intentions."

The audio can be found here here, listed as January 18, 2001, The Court and Civil Rights.
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So when BHO says it is a "great tragedy" that the (American) courts could not spread wealth through "redistributive change," is that not saying he supports socialistic policies??

When Obama supporters try to say he isn't a socialist, they lose every last whit of credibility!
 
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Here comes the bull**** about Nazis being left wing again. I really wish people would read up on totalitarian regimes and how they fit into the linear political spectrum (hint: not at all)
 
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T-TownVol said:
trut's call out of a miss spelled word is very weak
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and gs's argument isn't? The rest of trut's argument was valid, its not like he just said "hey ****tard, you misspelled that so you must be wrong." Beyond that, when his point is shot down, in this case "Hitler's Victory Column" which I have blown up on this forum before, mind you, he changes the subject. He is guilty of all of the crap he constantly cries about.
 
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emainvol said:
and gs's argument isn't? The rest of trut's argument was valid, its not like he just said "hey ****tard, you misspelled that so you must be wrong." Beyond that, as per usual, when his point is shot down, in this case "Hitler's Victory Column" which I have blown up on this forum before, mind you, he changes the subject. He is guilty of all of the crap he constantly cries about.
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I did not even read nor do i care about all the "details".....I was just making an observation on the "liberal" cartoon that I assummed you were using as the reason you thought GS was calling trut a liberal.......my bad.....carry on
 
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emainvol said:
Beyond that, when his point is shot down, in this case "Hitler's Victory Column"
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It seems at least one German political leader associates that column with Hitler:

Rainer Brüderle, deputy leader of the Free Democrats said in the same paper, that the column was moved to its current location by Adolf Hitler. Brüderle added: "For him (Hitler) it was a symbol of German superiority and victorious wars over Denmark, Austria and France. I ask myself whether Obama was well advised to choose the Victory Column as a venue for a speech about his vision for global cooperation."
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T-TownVol said:
I did not even read nor do i care about all the "details".....I was just making an observation on the "liberal" cartoon that I assummed you were using as the reason you thought GS was calling trut a liberal.......my bad.....carry on
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Not *****ing at you, sorry if it came off that way
 
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volved said:
From your answer I get the impression that facts are irrelevant to you so probably not.
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You cherry picked one man's comments and that somehow trumps 150 years of history? But I am the one that thinks facts are irrelevant?

Nobody tell him...
 
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