what's up with mr sec

[Dudleys87]

If Gruden doesent come to UT it will be the single greatest board crash avi change in history here at Volnation. Not to mention the attempt at damage control by posters.

 

[TNRazor]

Pennington is usually right on with his stuff, but he's off on this one IMO. He thinks UT having 3 coaches in 5 years will hurt us. But there were some crazy circumstances (Kiffen) that put us in that position. Any potential good coach that we try to hire will be smart enough to understand that and see that we're still a top 10 coaching job.

 

[tatud4life]

Brother,

Gruden will not come to U.T. Of course, at one time he was listening to U.T. out of interest. He is likley headed to San Diego.
From what I heard on the radio this morning, he has assembled a staff of Ron Zook as his Defensive Co ordinator and his offensive co ordinator will be his brother Jay Gruden.
He is asking for a million for each co ordinator and who knows what type of salary he will ask for himself....
The name of the team that he is assembling his staff for is not officially known yet, but I would take an educated guess and say it is not U.T.

This contradicts the rumor that Gruden is coming here with Raheem Morris as his DC. Graham and Pittman staying and Gruden as co-OC. Redskins radio in D.C. reported that Gruden had contacted Morris about a college job. Also, Gruden's agent has sent his list of demands to UT and the board is working to make it happen.

See. It all depends on what you read, hear, or see. We don't have a clue what is going to happen. Like someone else posted. Sit back, relax, and wait for the actual Athletic Dept to announce what is going to happen. Until then, you can't believe anything. Wait for the horse to speak. opcorn:

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I beg to differ sir.......:whistling:

You may be begging, but 123 is correct.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Kirby Smart could be hired at UT in 2 weeks, and win us 9-10 games next year. Just because his name is not Gruden does not mean he can not coach. I get that fans want what they want, but that does not always play into the best options for the school. "We don't care what it costs" is always easy when your not writing the check. Jon Gruden could be hired and win 7 games next year. Noone has a clue how he will do on the college level. Not saying Smart is the guy, but ALOT of things point to Gruden will not be.

 

[bham_orange]

Brother,

Gruden will not come to U.T. Of course, at one time he was listening to U.T. out of interest. He is likley headed to San Diego.
From what I heard on the radio this morning, he has assembled a staff of Ron Zook as his Defensive Co ordinator and his offensive co ordinator will be his brother Jay Gruden.
He is asking for a million for each co ordinator and who knows what type of salary he will ask for himself....
The name of the team that he is assembling his staff for is not officially known yet, but I would take an educated guess and say it is not U.T.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't zook on our staff the same time gruden was a ga here? Just sayin.

 

[allvol]

I've seen a lot of credible posts pointing towards Gruden as the next coach. Most posts on the other side of the argument just take a contrary position with no logical basis to their negative claims. At this point, I believe Gruden is coming to UT until he publicly states that he is not.

 

[Panthro]

Smart is not a SMART hire..get it?

More like... Kirby Stupid!
Amiright

 

[Hank Bukowski]

totally agree. Hart may try to shove kirby smart down our throat. I'm not cool with any of the current names being floated around(except Gruden) for the UT job. It is a prestigious job and should be treated as such

We need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. UT is not the elite job we've been telling ourselves since Fulmer left. All the best guys available turned us down -- twice. We were left with Kitten (a fraud) and a La. Tech coach/Saban staffer.

For whatever reason, the HC job at Tennessee is simply not as attractive to big-time winners as we think it is. This is the reality. And it's even less attractive now than the first two times after Fulmer left (see today's new NCAA penalties).

I would love to see a former Vol come in as head coach and build an all-Vol staff...bringing home Tee Martin, Dale Jones, et al...guys who would bring their all every day.

Almost forgot...Gruden who?

 

[snowvols]

We need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. UT is not the elite job we've been telling ourselves since Fulmer left. All the best guys available turned us down -- twice. We were left with Kitten (a fraud) and a La. Tech coach/Saban staffer.

For whatever reason, the HC job at Tennessee is simply not as attractive to big-time winners as we think it is. This is the reality. And it's even less attractive now than the first two times after Fulmer left (see today's new NCAA penalties).

I would love to see a former Vol come in as head coach and build an all-Vol staff...bringing home Tee Martin, Dale Jones, et al...guys who would bring their all every day.

Almost forgot...Gruden who?

No school can go out and just get anyone they want. Look At Michigan, USC (Kiffin was like their 4th choice), Alabama(Rich Rod was 1st choice)...None got their first choice the last coaching hire. Look at how many coaches they have gone through.

The argument that it isn't a big time job just isn't true, but no school is going to snap it's fingers and get anyone they want.

Kiffin was Mike Hamilton's first choice so he hired who he wanted.

 

[perico]

No school can go out and just get anyone they want. Look At Michigan, USC (Kiffin was like their 4th choice), Alabama(Rich Rod was 1st choice)...None got their first choice the last coaching hire. Look at how many coaches they have gone through.

The argument that it isn't a big time job just isn't true, but no school is going to snap it's fingers and get anyone they want.

Kiffin was Mike Hamilton's first choice so he hired who he wanted.

Exactly. Kiffin was Hamilton's guy, and at that time, one of the bigger names, if not the biggest, on the market.

 

[petebee50]

We just spent $45 million on a training facility so Dave Hart knows we expect for the best available no matter what the cost. Its like buying a million dollar house and not having any furniture and 1973 beater to drive. As Tennessee fans we have no problem with paying more money for a winning team again and Dave Hart knows that winning will fill the stands. Dooley and most of his crew need to call UHaul and some movers and get packing because we will accept nothing less than being the best,PERIOD!!!!

"As Tennessee fans we have no problem with paying more money for a winning team again" It's real easy when someone else is doing the paying. I haven't seen a fund being collected for a new coach hire.

 

[Oskie Volum]

We need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid. UT is not the elite job we've been telling ourselves since Fulmer left. All the best guys available turned us down -- twice. We were left with Kitten (a fraud) and a La. Tech coach/Saban staffer.

For whatever reason, the HC job at Tennessee is simply not as attractive to big-time winners as we think it is. This is the reality. And it's even less attractive now than the first two times after Fulmer left (see today's new NCAA penalties).

I would love to see a former Vol come in as head coach and build an all-Vol staff...bringing home Tee Martin, Dale Jones, et al...guys who would bring their all every day.

Almost forgot...Gruden who?

REALLY???? Do honestly think that the current staff isn't giving there all??? C'mon man. They may not be as successful as they have wanted to be but saying they aren't giving thier all is just being ridic.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

REALLY???? Do honestly think that the current staff isn't giving there all??? C'mon man. They may not be as successful as they have wanted to be but saying they aren't giving thier all is just being ridic.

I do believe they are giving their best, of course...their jobs and livelihoods are on the line. They'd be fools not to.

But nobody coaches with more heart and passion than a guy who's worn the uniform and carried the pride in his heart, who's fought, scratched, heaved and bled on that field. And who's eaten the food at Gibbs Hall as a player.

IMO, these guys would ccertainly care more. It wouldn't be a job -- it would be a mission, a passion.

Just common sense to me.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

No school can go out and just get anyone they want. Look At Michigan, USC (Kiffin was like their 4th choice), Alabama(Rich Rod was 1st choice)...None got their first choice the last coaching hire. Look at how many coaches they have gone through.

The argument that it isn't a big time job just isn't true, but no school is going to snap it's fingers and get anyone they want.

Kiffin was Mike Hamilton's first choice so he hired who he wanted.

Not how I remember things at all. Seems like Kitten came in after at least four or five others declared "no interest" in the job. I seem to also recall reading about several telephone inquiries being made, Will Muschamp being one, Mike Leach another one, Bill Cowher, and (of course) some people's continuing fantasy, Gruden. I have an email somewhere from Mike Griffith at the KNS about all this when Kitten was hired ...will post if I can find it.

Kitten was a last-minute date to the prom, if memory serves...if Crazy Al Davis hadn''t been such a loon, we'd have all believed him when he said Kitten was a scumbag.

 

[Oskie Volum]

I do believe they are giving their best, of course...their jobs and livelihoods are on the line. They'd be fools not to.

But nobody coaches with more heart and passion than a guy who's worn the uniform and carried the pride in his heart, who's fought, scratched, heaved and bled on that field. And who's eaten the food at Gibbs Hall as a player.

IMO, these guys would ccertainly care more. It wouldn't be a job -- it would be a mission, a passion.

Just common sense to me.

Even if it's common sense it still doesn't equal automatic success. So that's common sense too.

I understand how you think that this staff may just being doing it for thier livelihoods but I think CDD does it for more than just that. Though he was brought up in UGA world he gives his all for his respect for what UT was too imo. Right now there is no current coach with ties to UT that could handle this situation with any kind of guranteed success. Heck there aren't any coaches interested with UT history or not that anyone can say will turn this situation around.

Don't forget about Graham being on the staff and the rumors that Steele was high on cdd's list until the bowl debacle. So not like cdd is opposed to it if viable options are there. Hiring all UT previous players is like saying we should only recruit in-state guys. I'm not saying I would be opposed to it but at the same it shouldn't be the only criteria. I'm a fulmer fan and believe that went wrong, but at the same time he got comfortable. Hurt our program in the long run. I'm sure he felt he could cause he is a "UT guy".

Plus and minsus could be found all around.

 

[Catbone]

Kirby Smart could be hired at UT in 2 weeks, and win us 9-10 games next year. Just because his name is not Gruden does not mean he can not coach. I get that fans want what they want, but that does not always play into the best options for the school. "We don't care what it costs" is always easy when your not writing the check. Jon Gruden could be hired and win 7 games next year. Noone has a clue how he will do on the college level. Not saying Smart is the guy, but ALOT of things point to Gruden will not be.

Nick Saban coaching here next year wouldn't get us 10 wins. Regardless of who is the coach we aren't winning more than 8

 

[Hank Bukowski]

Even if it's common sense it still doesn't equal automatic success. So that's common sense too.

I understand how you think that this staff may just being doing it for thier livelihoods but I think CDD does it for more than just that. Though he was brought up in UGA world he gives his all for his respect for what UT was too imo. Right now there is no current coach with ties to UT that could handle this situation with any kind of guranteed success. Heck there aren't any coaches interested with UT history or not that anyone can say will turn this situation around.

Don't forget about Graham being on the staff and the rumors that Steele was high on cdd's list until the bowl debacle. So not like cdd is opposed to it if viable options are there. Hiring all UT previous players is like saying we should only recruit in-state guys. I'm not saying I would be opposed to it but at the same it shouldn't be the only criteria. I'm a fulmer fan and believe that went wrong, but at the same time he got comfortable. Hurt our program in the long run. I'm sure he felt he could cause he is a "UT guy".

Plus and minsus could be found all around.

Interesting thoughts. I loved Fulmer -- when he was hungry. IMO, he got fat and lazy. I was all for him leaving...though not the way he did. At all.

So who would you choose if you had only these two -- Cut or Chavis?

Cut would guarantee a bigger role for Peyton in the program, maybe even over the longer term. Chavis would guarantee a role for all the players who played for him. Chavis certainly wouldn't talk as much as Dooley at press conferences...but I could not care less about that.

I would take either one of those guys over another "experiment."

 

[KoachKletus]

It's really easy to be a negavol until the parade starts. At that point you have become irrelevant.

So, when your boy god says, nah, thanks but no thanks, does that mean no parade? Thus, making all of the groodenites irrelevant. Works both ways junior.

 

[snowvols]

Not how I remember things at all. Seems like Kitten came in after at least four or five others declared "no interest" in the job. I seem to also recall reading about several telephone inquiries being made, Will Muschamp being one, Mike Leach another one, Bill Cowher, and (of course) some people's continuing fantasy, Gruden. I have an email somewhere from Mike Griffith at the KNS about all this when Kitten was hired ...will post if I can find it.

Kitten was a last-minute date to the prom, if memory serves...if Crazy Al Davis hadn''t been such a loon, we'd have all believed him when he said Kitten was a scumbag.

Muschamp was after Kiffin left and Leach was never contacted. Kiffin was the first choice of Hamilton and the only time we were turned down was after he left and everyone in the world knew what was coming with the lack on guys on scholarship.