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bleedingTNorange said:
Good defense beats good offense the majority of the time.
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Agreed but you have to be able to score when you are losing. Again, UT's D was solid last night but offense was lacking. This is the only point I am trying to make. Believe me I know defense wins championships.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I didn't say defense wasn't important but this team should be outscoring people rather than trying to win by playing tough d and grinding it out. We've been saying that since before the season. We should be full court pressing/trapping and dropping back into that zone for 25+ minutes, if not more. We have 6 fast break points in the last 2 games. Both losses. And we averaged 59 pts. And if we win those 2, we are in the tourney.

Why, as a coach, do you keep doing what doesn't work the best for your team? This team is long, deep, athletic, and actually handles the ball and passes better than any team he has had yet. And he's wasted it.

Not all teams are the same. We don't need to compare to ky or Wisconsin. Or last years team. Or BP's team. This team right here was poorly misused and coached this year. My way gets us in the tourney without issue. His way has us right here again. Very. Very frustrating.
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I don't disagree with you. The team has been terribly coached. You didn't say defense wasn't important. The OP implied it.
 
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CAVol said:
You really don't understand basketball do you?
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I played two years of basketball at a D1 school. I probably understand it a heck of lot better than you do. What I said is that you cannot win in basketball having a primarily defensive strategy without having a VERY good team. An inferior team cannot (generally) beat a superior team with defense. At some point your defense will lag and the other team will generate a run of 8 to 10 points. It's harder to play all out on defense for long periods than it is on offense. Trust me. I DO know.
 
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tnprogrammer said:
I played two years of basketball at a D1 school. I probably understand it a heck of lot better than you do. What I said is that you cannot win in basketball having a primarily defensive strategy without having a VERY good team. An inferior team cannot (generally) beat a superior team with defense. At some point your defense will lag and the other team will generate a run of 8 to 10 points. It's harder to play all out on defense for long periods than it is on offense. Trust me. I DO know.
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You aren't the only one who played at the collegiate level. Like I said. You can control your level of defense. Shots won't always fall. Great defensive teams historically go farther in post season than offensive teams.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I didn't say defense wasn't important but this team should be outscoring people rather than trying to win by playing tough d and grinding it out. We've been saying that since before the season. We should be full court pressing/trapping and dropping back into that zone for 25+ minutes, if not more. We have 6 fast break points in the last 2 games. Both losses. And we averaged 59 pts. And if we win those 2, we are in the tourney.

Why, as a coach, do you keep doing what doesn't work the best for your team? This team is long, deep, athletic, and actually handles the ball and passes better than any team he has had yet. And he's wasted it.

Not all teams are the same. We don't need to compare to ky or Wisconsin. Or last years team. Or BP's team. This team right here was poorly misused and coached this year. My way gets us in the tourney without issue. His way has us right here again. Very. Very frustrating.
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This.

Been making similar comments for two years. Coach to your roster - if you know how. I am 100% convinced that he does not know how. If they are playing a subpar team where he can just roll the ball out there, the players are experienced and talented enough to handle it on their own. When you are inferior at PG and have shorter bigs, and they do against all of the good teams they play, they will not be successful in a half court style against same good teams.

It is so obvious this team is full court uptempo, except to Zo. Their D was good last night. Their O cost them the game because it became a half court game against a superior defensive opponent. This should be the 3rd best team in the SEC with several more signature wins because they have the talent and experience. But they do not have the system and coaching. Time to move on.
 
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Vols4us said:
This.

Been making similar comments for two years. Coach to your roster - if you know how. I am 100% convinced that he does not know how. If they are playing a subpar team where he can just roll the ball out there, the players are experienced and talented enough to handle it on their own. When you are inferior at PG and have shorter bigs, and they do against all of the good teams they play, they will not be successful in a half court style against same good teams.

It is so obvious this team is full court uptempo, except to Zo. Their D was good last night. Their O cost them the game because it became a half court game against a superior defensive opponent. This should be the 3rd best team in the SEC with several more signature wins because they have the talent and experience. But they do not have the system and coaching. Time to move on.
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Agreed on all points.
 
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tnprogrammer said:
that defense does not win Basketball games. BBall is a SCORING game. You can slow the game down when you have to, but it is my opinion that you have to have a very superior team to win primarily with defense in BBall.
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Geez, how old are you? The Western Conference in the NBA used to think the same thing. They scored a heck of a lot of points but didn't do ****e. Defense wins game's in every sport. You still have to score, but you have to play both ends of the court.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I do not agree with everything that the OP said but ask yourself this question, would you rather have a dominate offensive player or defensive player? Example, Kobe Bryant or Bruce Bowen? Defense is important in basketball but offense can be your best defense at times.
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lol! Yeah, it's done Kobe and Carmelo loads of good. I'd want dominate O players with a couple dominate D players. There's nothing like dominate middle players. The Pacers WILL win the NBA title this year. They will dominate OKC, the Spurs, the Clippers, Portland, or anyone put in front of them from the West. And they are already better than the Miami scrunge from the East.
 
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tnprogrammer said:
I played two years of basketball at a D1 school. I probably understand it a heck of lot better than you do. What I said is that you cannot win in basketball having a primarily defensive strategy without having a VERY good team. An inferior team cannot (generally) beat a superior team with defense. At some point your defense will lag and the other team will generate a run of 8 to 10 points. It's harder to play all out on defense for long periods than it is on offense. Trust me. I DO know.
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This. Thanks for the player perspective.

Practically speaking, both Stokes and Maymon should be playing the same position, #4. So, they are down one or two shot altering bigs. There is no natural point guard on the team. So your point about the talent is spot on. You cannot defend at a high level without a long big and quality PG that can stay with the other guy.
 
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HBCButch said:
lol! Yeah, it's done Kobe and Carmelo loads of good. I'd want dominate O players with a couple dominate D players. There's nothing like dominate middle players. The Pacers WILL win the NBA title this year. They will dominate OKC, the Spurs, the Clippers, Portland, or anyone put in front of them from the West. And they are already better than the Miami scrunge from the East.
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Gotta beat em in the playoffs first.
 
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I thought the coach did a good job in the game. The coach couldn't account for 4 or5 missed dunks in the game. That's 8 points right there. He changed his defense up several times which led to several tos in a row. The biggest time in the game was when we trailed by 1 point and had several ball handling tos by our big men down low. Fla went down and nailed two 3 pointers in that span and the game was pretty much over. If those things hadn't happened we could have won. If we had won would we be bad mouthing his coaching philosophy? I think not. It would have been praises for the game he coached. Just trying to play devils advocate here. The men played there hearts out against a much more superior team. The lady vols play sloppy with superior talent most nights. I'm more concerned about them, even though they are winning most games.
 
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roddo518 said:
I thought the coach did a good job in the game. The coach couldn't account for 4 or5 missed dunks in the game. That's 8 points right there. He changed his defense up several times which led to several tos in a row. The biggest time in the game was when we trailed by 1 point and had several ball handling tos by our big men down low. Fla went down and nailed two 3 pointers in that span and the game was pretty much over. If those things hadn't happened we could have won. If we had won would we be bad mouthing his coaching philosophy? I think not. It would have been praises for the game he coached. Just trying to play devils advocate here. The men played there hearts out against a much more superior team. The lady vols play sloppy with superior talent most nights. I'm more concerned about them, even though they are winning most games.
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Roddo, your avi. puts me in a 30 second trance every time I see one of your posts. :)
 
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why are we comparing nba teams to this particular college team coached by CM. Debate what this particular team needs to do. Not what some NBA team did 20 years ago to prove defense wins. It's a different game in the first place. If it wasn't, 3 pt scorers in college wouldn't turn into double digits in pros, and 20 pt scorers in college wouldn't turn into benchwarmers or roster cuts.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
why are we comparing nba teams to this particular college team coached by CM. Debate what this particular team needs to do. Not what some NBA team did 20 years ago to prove defense wins. It's a different game in the first place. If it wasn't, 3 pt scorers in college wouldn't turn into double digits in pros, and 20 pt scorers in college wouldn't turn into benchwarmers or roster cuts.
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This team needs better players. There, that's my opinion of what UT needs. Now, getting back to the rest of your comments. What 3 pt shooters are 'taking over the NBA?' I agree that the 3pt shot is very popular, but good shooters from the college ranks whether it was 2pt/3pt have flourished. Leads me to another point about UT. Don't recruit a guy you want to be a shooter unless he can do it in HS. Enough of this 'he has length, athleticism and can leap out of the gym'. Who gives a flippin damn and what does that even mean! Can he put the ball in the hole and does he have any game? Can he play defense? Is he a foul out waiting to happen?
 
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