Where Are The Franklin Lovers Now?

[Tux]

Where are the media members who were hanging on James Franklins unzipped fly the past 12 months?

They bragged how great he was and how he had changed everything at Vanderbilt.

 

[SDV]

Vandy boards?

 

[vol_in_ar]

Has Clay tweeted

 

[Mason72]

he is a flash in the pan.. he better cash his lottery ticket ASAP.. cause Vandy is the Grim Reaper of Football Coaches.

 

[Aesius]

Even the people on VandyMania are losing faith in him. I love it.

 

[JonWard]

Been said before, but Franklin has done nothing that Bobby Johnson hasn't done...other than being a first-rate douche.

Vandy is still Vandy.

 

[govols120]

How sad...just kidding. And the next Vanderbilt fan I see complaining about a "tough schedule" is banished to a dungeon.

 

[mcashawn0304]

pretty clear to me how big of a joke this guy is

 

[Jax_Vol]

Now enetering minute # 14 of his 15 minutes...



Off sharing a tissue with Clay Clay

 

[deezvols]

who knew running your mouth and selling ice cream on the street corner wouldn't equate to wins in the SEC?

 

[Leopold Stotch]

The talent isn't there, but he gets his guys to play hard. I think he's a buffoon, but so is Kiffin and somehow they both get out of their league recruits. I think with a little talent, Vandy is going to have better success.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Don't understand why so many people here dislike Franklin. He's a good coach. For that matter, so was Bobby Johnson. Johnson was one of the most underrated coaches in the NCAA. It's just that a good coach really maxes out at around 5 or 6 wins at Vandy.

Franklin's current recruiting class is ranked ahead of Tennessee's, which is embarrassing.

 

[GAVol]

I've been seeing this happen for 30 years. I liked Franklin's act the first time I saw it when his name was Gerry Dinardo. We've gone through this same crap every time Vandy has hored a new coach for the past 30 years.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Don't understand why so many people here dislike Franklin. He's a good coach. For that matter, so was Bobby Johnson. Johnson was one of the most underrated coaches in the NCAA. It's just that a good coach really maxes out at around 5 or 6 wins at Vandy.

Franklin's current recruiting class is ranked ahead of Tennessee's, which is embarrassing.

Maybe you need to pay attention to what he says and how he says it. He runs his mouth like Spurrier without the success of a Spurrier. Spurrier can back up his talk. Franklin can't.

And just what has Franklin done to prove he's a good coach? He's 7-10 overall as a head coach and has not beaten any team with a winning record. I think it's a little too early to crown him as a good coach.

 

[sweatpants]

Franklin is an excellent salesman and motivator but average coach. Bobby Johnson had difficulty recruiting but was an excellent coach. Johnson's main problem was that he had terrible quarterbacks at the end like Larry Smith.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Maybe you need to pay attention to what he says and how he says it. He runs his mouth like Spurrier without the success of a Spurrier. Spurrier can back up his talk. Franklin can't.

I might be bothered to care about that if he coached at Florida or Alabama, rather than Vanderbilt. Difficult to get worked up about a Vandy coach talking smack.

7-10 at Vandy isn't all that bad. And Vandy had close losses to Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Cincinnati, and us last year. Which is impressive when you consider their vastly weaker talent level. They are 1-3 this year, but they lost to three good teams (South Carolina, Georgia, and Northwestern).

Frankly, it's difficult for me to say much bad about him, when he has a program with vastly less resources and tradition than us, he's outrecruiting us, nearly beat us last year, and then took his team to a bowl game while we failed to qualify.

If the guy has two 6-6 seasons at Vandy in four years, he's a success.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Franklin is an excellent salesman and motivator but average coach. Bobby Johnson had difficulty recruiting but was an excellent coach. Johnson's main problem was that he had terrible quarterbacks at the end like Larry Smith.

I agree on Johnson.

Haven't totally decided on Franklin when it comes to coaching. Have to see more evidence.

 

[Godfatha]

Don't understand why so many people here dislike Franklin. He's a good coach. For that matter, so was Bobby Johnson. Johnson was one of the most underrated coaches in the NCAA. It's just that a good coach really maxes out at around 5 or 6 wins at Vandy.

Franklin's current recruiting class is ranked ahead of Tennessee's, which is embarrassing.

Don't want to turn this into a fire Dooley thread, we have enough of those, but if that last statement isn't a nail in the coffin for any argument of keeping him, I don't know what is.

 

[BarrythesnoUT]

Don't want to turn this into a fire Dooley thread, we have enough of those, but if that last statement isn't a nail in the coffin for any argument of keeping him, I don't know what is.

Come back in February, when that won't be the case any longer.

 

[OrangeDog]

And Vandy had close losses to Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Cincinnati, and us last year. Which is impressive when you consider their vastly weaker talent level. They are 1-3 this year, but they lost to three good teams (South Carolina, Georgia, and Northwestern)

Gotta LOVE those Moral Victories!!
Heck, we do!

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Gotta LOVE those Moral Victories!!
Heck, we do!

It's not so much a "moral victory" as it shows progress. Take a look at Jim Harbaugh's four years at Stanford. On paper, his record didn't look that impressive the first three years. Many people never saw that 12-1 season coming.

But if you actually watched Stanford's games, they were playing teams close that should've been blowing them out by 7 touchdowns. Yeah, they normally lost, but I could tell Harbaugh was building something special just by watching how his team played.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen that at Tennessee much over the past three years. It just looks like we give up during the second half against good teams, with the Georgia game being one of the few exceptions.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I might be bothered to care about that if he coached at Florida or Alabama, rather than Vanderbilt. Difficult to get worked up about a Vandy coach talking smack.

7-10 at Vandy isn't all that bad. And Vandy had close losses to Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Cincinnati, and us last year. Which is impressive when you consider their vastly weaker talent level. They are 1-3 this year, but they lost to three good teams (South Carolina, Georgia, and Northwestern).

Frankly, it's difficult for me to say much bad about him, when he has a program with vastly less resources and tradition than us, he's outrecruiting us, nearly beat us last year, and then took his team to a bowl game while we failed to qualify.

If the guy has two 6-6 seasons at Vandy in four years, he's a success.

No one is getting worked up. The people who live in Middle TN know he's more hat than cattle and full of sh*t.

If you think Franklin is a good coach based on wins over Elon, UCONN, Ole Miss, Army, Ky, Wake Forest and Presbyterian then so be it. I'm not changing anyone's mind on who thinks those are quality wins. That close loss to UGA by the score of 48-3 really seems to show progress too.

Yes, they have less resources than most programs, but Dooley inherited a horrible roster. Hell, Franklin had more Sr talent than Dooley had last year. UT has had 3 total players drafted in the last 2 drafts. Vandy had a player drafted 3 rounds before UT's first player in this year's draft. Let that sink in. Vandy hasn't come up to UT's normal level. UT has fallen to Vandy's pathetic level over the last few years.

And let's wait a few more months before you go crowning his recruiting class. No one has signed yet. Yet, you seem to be eating up everything he's dishing out.

Funny how people just sign up randomnly on here over the months and start lapping up Franklin. Either they're fans in disguise or don't know a charlatan when they see one.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

And let's wait a few more months before you go crowning his recruiting class. No one has signed yet. Yet, you seem to be eating up everything he's dishing out.

Funny how people just sign up randomnly on here over the months and start lapping up Franklin. Either they're fans in disguise or don't know a charlatan when they see one.

Or maybe they just ... ya know ... have a different opinion than you. I know it's a radical concept that two intelligent people could disagree on something.

Yet, you seem to be eating up everything he's dishing out.

You seem to be projecting a bit. You're the one that is emotionally hinged to Franklin. I really don't give a rat's @%$ what he says and I pay virtually no attention to it. All I pay attention to is what his football team does, and how he's building the program.

There's no way Vandy had as much talent as UT last year. Recruiting rankings aren't always completely accurate, but they are one of the better ways to at least get a gauge on the talent level at a university.

Vanderbilt's 2009 class: #72
Tennessee's 2009 class: #8

Albeit, UT's got destroyed through attrition and maybe it was a bit overrated to begin with, but I don't think by any stretch were we down there in Vandy territory. In fact, before 2011, I don't think Vandy had a top 50 class in a long while.

In 2007, they were #87. With the exception of Kentucky, every other SEC team was in the top 35.

In 2008, they were #74.

In 2010, they were #54.

Yeah, recruiting ratings have problems and they aren't everything ... but it's difficult to argue given the wide disparities between Vandy and Tennessee's recruiting classes that Tennessee was playing with equal or lesser talent.

If Franklin can take us to overtime with a #72 senior class, he might actually do some damage with a top 20 class. I'm not saying he's a great coach ... he's only been there for a little over a year so it's too early to tell. But the idea that he's a phoney seems to be your own emotional reaction.

But it doesn't matter because if he has a 6-6 or 7-5 season in the next few years, someone else will hire him.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I might be bothered to care about that if he coached at Florida or Alabama, rather than Vanderbilt. Difficult to get worked up about a Vandy coach talking smack.

7-10 at Vandy isn't all that bad. And Vandy had close losses to Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Cincinnati, and us last year. Which is impressive when you consider their vastly weaker talent level. They are 1-3 this year, but they lost to three good teams (South Carolina, Georgia, and Northwestern).

Frankly, it's difficult for me to say much bad about him, when he has a program with vastly less resources and tradition than us, he's outrecruiting us, nearly beat us last year, and then took his team to a bowl game while we failed to qualify.

If the guy has two 6-6 seasons at Vandy in four years, he's a success.

How long have you been watching Vandy football? DiNardo was doing this crap 20 years ago. Vandy ALWAYS loses close games to good teams. Why in the world you are acting like this somehow proves Franklin is a good coach is beyond me.

On top of that, they might win 2-3 games this year.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Or maybe they just ... ya know ... have a different opinion than you. I know it's a radical concept that two intelligent people could disagree on something.




You seem to be projecting a bit. You're the one that is emotionally hinged to Franklin. I really don't give a rat's @%$ what he says and I pay virtually no attention to it. All I pay attention to is what his football team does, and how he's building the program.

There's no way Vandy had as much talent as UT last year. Recruiting rankings aren't always completely accurate, but they are one of the better ways to at least get a gauge on the talent level at a university.

Vanderbilt's 2009 class: #72
Tennessee's 2009 class: #8

Albeit, UT's got destroyed through attrition and maybe it was a bit overrated to begin with, but I don't think by any stretch were we down there in Vandy territory. In fact, before 2011, I don't think Vandy had a top 50 class in a long while.

In 2007, they were #87. With the exception of Kentucky, every other SEC team was in the top 35.

In 2008, they were #74.

In 2010, they were #54.

Yeah, recruiting ratings have problems and they aren't everything ... but it's difficult to argue given the wide disparities between Vandy and Tennessee's recruiting classes that Tennessee was playing with equal or lesser talent.

If Franklin can take us to overtime with a #72 senior class, he might actually do some damage with a top 20 class. I'm not saying he's a great coach ... he's only been there for a little over a year so it's too early to tell. But the idea that he's a phoney seems to be your own emotional reaction.

But it doesn't matter because if he has a 6-6 or 7-5 season in the next few years, someone else will hire him.

Most of UT's talent last year was in the sophomore and freshman classes. UT's Jr and Sr classes last year were not much better than anyone in the SEC. UT had one player drafted in Malik Jackson who fell in their lap because of USC's probation. Who else got drafted? No one.

Maybe you've been asleep for the last few years, but UT has had very little top tier talent. Their roster has been decimated with transfers due to coaching changes so you can throw out those recruiting rankings because hardly any of those players were still on the team from Fulmer's and Kiffin's classes. Care to look up who is still on the team from Kiffin's lone recruiting class? I didn't think so. It isn't pretty.

As far as me being emotionally hinged to Franklin, uh no. I'm just tired of the Franklin Fluffers coming on here either disguised as a Candy fan or not knowing the facts. 7-10 tells me all I need to know and none of those 7 wins are against any teams worth a damn.

Candy couldn't beat one of UT's worst teams ever last year with Hunter out and Bray playing with a broken thumb on his passing hand. Now Franklin and Candy just got their ass handed to them by UGA 48-3. That looks like Same Ol' Vandy to me.