Where are the linemen?

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Oldvol75

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I know everyone is concerned about landing a QB, I am too but if you don't have the linemen, it doesn't matter how good the QB is. We need linemen and quickly! IMHO linemen are the "real" skill position players, its not just strength and moving your legs in short choppy steps!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
I know everyone is concerned about landing a QB, I am too but if you don't have the linemen, it doesn't matter how good the QB is. We need linemen and quickly! IMHO linemen are the "real" skill position players, its not just strength and moving your legs in short choppy steps!
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Have you been following this class at all yet?

They have arguably the 2 best JUCO DT's in the country committed. Broussard has committed who has already blown up this summer. They have a 5* DE and a 4* DE committed in Smith and Copeland.

They have commitments already from Fulton and Pair on the OL. Fulton is a definite 4* OG. They lead for James Stone. They are in the Top 2 for Cullen who is probably the top JUCO OT in the country. They are doing very well recruiting along the line of scrimmage IMO.

They are in on a ton of other quality DE's and DT's in this class. I would say for July they have done an excellent job up to this point recruiting the line of scrimmage.

They need QB's, WR's and Linebackers more than any other positions right now IMO.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
They won't come without a QB.
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That's not true. If anything, a QB won't come without lineman... which brings more validity to the cause of recruiting these guys. A quarterback has little to do with the affect on a lineman's performance. A runningback? Some. But mostly, it's the lineman that dictate how well the QB and RB's and receivers for that matter play. If they aren't playing well, they aren't creating holes for the RB and they aren't giving the QB time to throw which means the receivers aren't getting passes. Etc. etc. etc. Which makes me think that this is why we are having a hard time finding a solid pocket passer. With a weak line, we aren't gonna have many pockets. I was about to post this link: cPanel® and then realized... wait a second, having a passer who can scramble may be what we need considering our line. I've been against Brunetti all the way up until this post.
 
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imavolsfanforlife said:
That's not true. If anything, a QB won't come without lineman... which brings more validity to the cause of recruiting these guys. A quarterback has little to do with the affect on a lineman's performance. A runningback? Some. But mostly, it's the lineman that dictate how well the QB and RB's and receivers for that matter play. If they aren't playing well, they aren't creating holes for the RB and they aren't giving the QB time to throw which means the receivers aren't getting passes. Etc. etc. etc. Which makes me think that this is why we are having a hard time finding a solid pocket passer. With a weak line, we aren't gonna have many pockets. I was about to post this link: cPanel® and then realized... wait a second, having a passer who can scramble may be what we need considering our line. I've been against Brunetti all the way up until this post.
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I think it goes both ways!
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Have you been following this class at all yet?

They have arguably the 2 best JUCO DT's in the country committed. Broussard has committed who has already blown up this summer. They have a 5* DE and a 4* DE committed in Smith and Copeland.

They have commitments already from Fulton and Pair on the OL. Fulton is a definite 4* OG. They lead for James Stone. They are in the Top 2 for Cullen who is probably the top JUCO OT in the country. They are doing very well recruiting along the line of scrimmage IMO.

They are in on a ton of other quality DE's and DT's in this class. I would say for July they have done an excellent job up to this point recruiting the line of scrimmage.

They need QB's, WR's and Linebackers more than any other positions right now IMO.
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I think he means O lineman
 
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ooltewahvol said:
I think he means O lineman
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Ok I guess he was but he should have specified. They have done a great job already on the DL IMO.

I would say they are positioning themselves at least to have a good OL class. Fulton is big-time for sure and already in the fold and they seem to be in great shape with Stone and Cullen who are two of the more highly rated prospects in the country.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Ok I guess he was but he should have specified. They have done a great job already on the DL IMO.
I would say they are positioning themselves at least to have a good OL class. Fulton is big-time for sure and already in the fold and they seem to be in great shape with Stone and Cullen who are two of the more highly rated prospects in the country.
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I agree and I think getting stone is a huge part for this class. We play his team Maple Wood and it should be a great battle between him and Jacques
 
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ptclaus98 said:
They won't come without a QB.
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Myth.

This idea that all offensive recruits are waiting on THIS YEAR'S QB commit is going way too far. Do they care? Yes. Is it the deciding factor that many suggest? Witness '09... absolutely not.

UT needs a QB and will get one or two this year. IMHO, if they don't get Scroggins then they should go for the closest thing there is to a sure thing- Newton.

I'd say that Bryce Brown and Oku are stronger selling points FOR an OL to commit to UT than lack of a QB is a selling point against.
 
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sjt18 said:
Myth.

This idea that all offensive recruits are waiting on THIS YEAR'S QB commit is going way too far. Do they care? Yes. Is it the deciding factor that many suggest? Witness '09... absolutely not.

UT needs a QB and will get one or two this year. IMHO, if they don't get Scroggins then they should go for the closest thing there is to a sure thing- Newton.

I'd say that Bryce Brown and Oku are stronger selling points FOR an OL to commit to UT than lack of a QB is a selling point against.
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+1
 
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ooltewahvol said:
I agree and I think getting stone is a huge part for this class. We play his team Maple Wood and it should be a great battle between him and Jacques
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Maybe Jac can make a wager with Stone that if you guys do beat them, then he has to commit to the Vols!
 
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sjt18 said:
Myth.

This idea that all offensive recruits are waiting on THIS YEAR'S QB commit is going way too far. Do they care? Yes. Is it the deciding factor that many suggest? Witness '09... absolutely not.

UT needs a QB and will get one or two this year. IMHO, if they don't get Scroggins then they should go for the closest thing there is to a sure thing- Newton.

I'd say that Bryce Brown and Oku are stronger selling points FOR an OL to commit to UT than lack of a QB is a selling point against.
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Listen, we're trying to recruit against the USCs, Oklahomas, Ohio States and Alabamas for these guys, all of those have either stable programs or stable to good QB's, and they won't be thrown into the fire to boot. These guys are going to have to step up, and they need someone to give them the push, and to be the "ambassador" to the other guys on the offense, and more often than not that's the QB's job.
 
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But it is coming from a personal bias because I am an former OL. Its always been the "pretty boys" that get all of the attention. A good OL can make or break any QB or RB. If they don't block and block well, it doesn't matter how good they are. Again, this is coming from a former OL so take it as what it is, a prue bias.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
But it is coming from a personal bias because I am an former OL. Its always been the "pretty boys" that get all of the attention. A good OL can make or break any QB or RB. If they don't block and block well, it doesn't matter how good they are. Again, this is coming from a former OL so take it as what it is, a prue bias.
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Proof : Larry Johnson, Shawn Alexander.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
It does.
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Trust me. If we had a deeper and better OL, we'd have a QB signed that we were going for. Regardless of who is playing at RB & QB, a line performs to their capabilities. However, a QB & RB's performance heavily depends on their line. You can say it goes both ways all you want, but back it up with logic and then maybe I will understand... and I prefer to understand if something makes sense.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
But it is coming from a personal bias because I am an former OL. Its always been the "pretty boys" that get all of the attention. A good OL can make or break any QB or RB. If they don't block and block well, it doesn't matter how good they are. Again, this is coming from a former OL so take it as what it is, a prue bias.
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Thanks Oldvol... at least someone on here sees my point.
 
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