Where are the linemen?

#27
#27
I just don't get the O.C. Brown dilemma. Can we not make him part of this class? Are we nervous to contend with Kentucky and Southern Mississippi.
 
#28
#28
LIvol said:
I just don't get the O.C. Brown dilemma. Can we not make him part of this class? Are we nervous to contend with Kentucky and Southern Mississippi.
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He sucked at our camp, which is the main reason why he doesn't have an offer. His stock is falling.
 
#30
#30
LIvol said:
I just don't get the O.C. Brown dilemma. Can we not make him part of this class? Are we nervous to contend with Kentucky and Southern Mississippi.
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I think he had a pretty bad camp. Got owned in a few of the videos.
 
#31
#31
ptclaus98 said:
Listen, we're trying to recruit against the USCs, Oklahomas, Ohio States and Alabamas for these guys, all of those have either stable programs or stable to good QB's, and they won't be thrown into the fire to boot. These guys are going to have to step up, and they need someone to give them the push, and to be the "ambassador" to the other guys on the offense, and more often than not that's the QB's job.
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Listen, so what. You are overreacting like a high school drama queen.

Unlike the QB position, TN and the SE in general aren't devoid of OL and RB talent this year. There are only one or two decent pro-style QB prospects in the southeast this year and neither of them committed to UT. It stinks because UT would like to have one... but there's a reason the coaches are spending so much capital on the west coast... and I'm sure they know it is a risk to do so. They apparently just don't think it is worth the time and resources to recruit anyone closer than California that's currently available.

I'm sure that they'll keep on guys like Rees and others... but the sky isn't going to fall and the class isn't going to crash based on this one thing. You are way, way over playing the importance of getting a QB first.

If they can get former 5* Newton on board.... they'll be just fine selling to the young receivers.
 
#32
#32
This excert from Can Georgia (anybody) touch Florida in the SEC East? | Mr. College Football goes to prove my point about the effect an OL has on the "ambassador" of a football team. South Carolina: The Gamecocks could challenge for the No. 3 spot if a couple of things fall into place. QB Stephen Garcia has made it through a complete spring and summer should be ready to finally play like an SEC quarterback. I’m still concerned about the offensive line, which has been a weak spot since Spurrier got to South Carolina. If all Garcia is doing is running around and trying to survive, it is not going to be pretty. While the defense looks to be good again the Gamecocks lost a lot of big plays with the departures of cornerback Captain Munnerlyn, safety Emmanuel Cook, and linebacker Jasper Brinkley. The opener at N.C. State on Sept. 3 is a very dangerous game for South Carolina. Then the Gamecocks have to go to Georgia on Sept. 12. How will the South Carolina fan base react if the Gamecocks start 0-2?
 
#33
#33
cwil74` said:
This. If he gets himself in shape he could be special. His footwork is off the charts for someone carrying extra weight.
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That is the truth. Jose Jose has some of the best footwork I've seen for a guy of his size. It is all up to him whether or not he wants to become a great player or another Aubrey Phillips. I think the staff is very encouraged about his attitude and desire to put in the effort to shed some weight, get into top shape and become the best player he can be.
 
#34
#34
LIvol said:
I just don't get the O.C. Brown dilemma. Can we not make him part of this class? Are we nervous to contend with Kentucky and Southern Mississippi.
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Good grief. The guy was about the 30th best offensive guard at our camp, meaning he wasn't good at all. Rankings dont mean a damn thing right now in July. It shows Rivals has done a poor job of evaluating him up to this point. He will end up no higher than a low 3* prospect and will end up at a place like Kentucky or Southern Miss where someone of his talent level belongs..
 
#35
#35
dude, if you honestly think we aren't recruiting oline well thus far and if you think we haven't done a good job for july then you my friend are insane and need to quit posting. Have we done amazing no. Are we done.... no. Its july. I'm to lazy to look it up but I know many olineman and especially top olineman waited till NSD to announce. And I think the staff knows a little more than you do about recruiting. They know they need olinemen and cregg and coach O and all the staff are recruiting these oline guys hard.
 
#36
#36
volguy0992 said:
dude, if you honestly think we aren't recruiting oline well thus far and if you think we haven't done a good job for july then you my friend are insane and need to quit posting. Have we done amazing no. Are we done.... no. Its july. I'm to lazy to look it up but I know many olineman and especially top olineman waited till NSD to announce. And I think the staff knows a little more than you do about recruiting. They know they need olinemen and cregg and coach O and all the staff are recruiting these oline guys hard.
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We have 3 3* OL. Too early to tell. Really, it's too early to tell a lot of things on here. But, I could care less if they are 3* or not, I place faith in the coaches. I do have to say that the new interest in Brunetti (although apparently coach O has been interested in this guy) makes me wonder some. But if our OL isn't that strong, or is young... then we need a guy who can get open to throw in order to compete well. But VolGuy, I think insane is a strong word. Our OL has issues and everybody knows it. And my point is, this should be a huge focus. I'm sure it is, but the results have yet to show. I'm a wait and see guy. I think if we end up with a solid OL class this year, we end up getting enough of what we need. The author of the article I posted earlier actually talks about his gut feeling of Crompton playing better this year anyways. I think between he and Stephens, we will play just as well as any Freshman would play behind that line if not better. We will beef up our OL in this year's recruiting class and play whoever we have the next year behind them. I'm hoping it's Lamaison or Scroggins. I can't say one way or the other about Brunetti with consideration to what I said earlier. But next year gives all of those guys, including Scroggins, a chance to play behind the OL we work on for 09 and the '10 class. Either way, we recruit a pretty good guy that year and red shirt him if we want to give him more playing time or we even wait until the next year. Why do I say that? Because great quarterbacks won't play behind a great quarterback in college. If our starting qb from '10 plays well, they will have to. So they can either come in and redshirt or not commit at all. I think Scroggins needs to come here. If he does half way decent his first year, he will definitely get another year to play behind a talented line (I think by that point) most likely and show what his potential. If he does that his second year, then he is definitely gonna finish out his career here and whoever we red shirt will play two years and show what they can do. I think the two year gap is what most kids are looking for... AT LEAST... but they are also looking for a stable OL.
 
#37
#37
volguy0992 said:
dude, if you honestly think we aren't recruiting oline well thus far and if you think we haven't done a good job for july then you my friend are insane and need to quit posting. Have we done amazing no. Are we done.... no. Its july. I'm to lazy to look it up but I know many olineman and especially top olineman waited till NSD to announce. And I think the staff knows a little more than you do about recruiting. They know they need olinemen and cregg and coach O and all the staff are recruiting these oline guys hard.
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I need to stop posting and am insane? If you stand at Gibbs Hall and look at the wall, second one from the right, toward the bottom, my name is there. Is yours?
 
#38
#38
Montrell Hardy said:
Have you been following this class at all yet?

They have arguably the 2 best JUCO DT's in the country committed. Broussard has committed who has already blown up this summer. They have a 5* DE and a 4* DE committed in Smith and Copeland.

They have commitments already from Fulton and Pair on the OL. Fulton is a definite 4* OG. They lead for James Stone. They are in the Top 2 for Cullen who is probably the top JUCO OT in the country. They are doing very well recruiting along the line of scrimmage IMO.

They are in on a ton of other quality DE's and DT's in this class. I would say for July they have done an excellent job up to this point recruiting the line of scrimmage.

They need QB's, WR's and Linebackers more than any other positions right now IMO.
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don't forget Jose
 
#40
#40
Oldvol75 said:
I need to stop posting and am insane? If you stand at Gibbs Hall and look at the wall, second one from the right, toward the bottom, my name is there. Is yours?
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Whether your name is there or not, I think it's a fair question that you have raise.

I think I see what is going on here just as I saw why Hamilton was going for Kiffin later on in the game, but before we announced him

Our coaches KNOW we have a lot of gaps to fill. It isn't going to be easy and we should all be very happy with what has happened thus far. It took Kiffin some time to really see what Crompton can do. Either way, he knows we need a new QB, he knows we need help in the running game and he knows we need help at receiver. SOMEHOW he went out and got that and is continuing to get that interest. But, still we need OL and a QB. Does that mean he waves a magic wand and everyone wants to come here? No. It means his job is extremely tough and he's doing a damn good job right now. But the public is making the QB a bigger issue than probably those who know football well are. In reality, we need help at OL first. But is that going to stop Kiffin going after QB's BEFORE we develop a line? NO. Is our huge need for recruiting OL going to make his job any easier in doing so... NO. But he's already signed 3 OL. I think that says a great deal about where his focus was first. We need some LBs too apparently and we have two of them in '10's recruiting class and FIVE in '09's. Sure they are 3*, but I really don't think our coaches are too worried about that. In the mean time, we have been at the top of the top QB's lists even though we are a hard sell. Kiffin has to get these kids to form a vision consistent with his own and then get them to believe as much as he does. Kiffin has proven he is going to do what he says thus far and has proven he knows what needs help first. But in the end, it is what it is. A team with a bunch of holes to fill. Many people that would have filled those holes (OL) that were going to be a part of our '09 class left because Fulmer left. He had a QB that wouldn't fit his system which made it even worse. So, he did the right thing and let that talented guy go play where he could shine. I admire that. But we ended up with only two 'OLs in the class from last year. Which I think gets to the point of this thread. WE NEED OLS. But it's going to take time to get them and until we do, it's going to be hard to get a QB unless they share Kiffin's vision of being that guy who stuck through two rough seasons in order to become a star who goes pro in four.
 
#41
#41
OL's and DL's are extremely hard for the recruiting services to nail down in areas where there isn't a very high level of competition. Simply put, they almost never face guys that can challenge them. That's how you get kids like Schofield that no one knows about until he starts showing up at camps between his Jr and Sr years.

Last year 3 of the 5 first team All SEC OL's were 3* as recruits with one 4* and one 5*. The 2nd team All SEC had 2 2*, 2 3*, and a 4*. Star searching OL's and DT's is a low % game.
 
#42
#42
sjt18 said:
OL's and DL's are extremely hard for the recruiting services to nail down in areas where there isn't a very high level of competition. Simply put, they almost never face guys that can challenge them. That's how you get kids like Schofield that no one knows about until he starts showing up at camps between his Jr and Sr years.

Last year 3 of the 5 first team All SEC OL's were 3* as recruits with one 4* and one 5*. The 2nd team All SEC had 2 2*, 2 3*, and a 4*. Star searching OL's and DT's is a low % game.
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Great post. Oh and sorry of for all the typos guys. I promise I can write. Just not work on web sites and write as well.
 
#43
#43
sjt18 said:
OL's and DL's are extremely hard for the recruiting services to nail down in areas where there isn't a very high level of competition. Simply put, they almost never face guys that can challenge them. That's how you get kids like Schofield that no one knows about until he starts showing up at camps between his Jr and Sr years.

Last year 3 of the 5 first team All SEC OL's were 3* as recruits with one 4* and one 5*. The 2nd team All SEC had 2 2*, 2 3*, and a 4*. Star searching OL's and DT's is a low % game.
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Agree.

Schoefield at this time last year was rated an 'NR' by Rivals because they didnt even know who he was. He ended up as we all know a 4*. Rankings right now are meaningless.

Most of the guys this staff has committed will make a significant jump by the time February rolls around. Fulton & Broussard especially.
 
#44
#44
Montrell Hardy said:
Agree.

Schoefield at this time last year was rated an 'NR' by Rivals because they didnt even know who he was. He ended up as we all know a 4*. Rankings right now are meaningless.

Most of the guys this staff has committed will make a significant jump by the time February rolls around. Fulton & Broussard especially.
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Now THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT... Optimism based on fact in the form of history which is the best indicator of what's going to happen!
 
#45
#45
Fulton
Pair
Jose

That's a good start to a solid OL class. A lot of linemen will stay on the board for awhile, and we're in the thick of it with plenty of talent. I think we'll end up with a talented, deep OL class.
 
#47
#47
Oldvol75 said:
But it is coming from a personal bias because I am an former OL. Its always been the "pretty boys" that get all of the attention. A good OL can make or break any QB or RB. If they don't block and block well, it doesn't matter how good they are. Again, this is coming from a former OL so take it as what it is, a prue bias.
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Trust me, man, I feel ya.
 
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