Where does "class warfare" stop?

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When looking at an issue, whether it is a Republican or Democrat idea, I like to look at the logic behind it. When analyzing something, I like to apply it to different areas of life and see how it really works.

Does class warfare get moved into our educational system?

Should a student that has worked hard for his/her grades use some of his GPA and spread it to those who 1. Haven't worked as hard or 2. Grew up in a less ideal situation than the kid with the higher GPA?

If not, why not if you support class warfare?

Where does class warfare stop?
 
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Yes. And I also think my coworkers who have not spent all their vacation days should give me a couple extra to use.
 
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I mean, it really isn't fair. They must've cheated to get all those vacation days.
 
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tvols75 said:
When looking at an issue, whether it is a Republican or Democrat idea, I like to look at the logic behind it. When analyzing something, I like to apply it to different areas of life and see how it really works.

Does class warfare get moved into our educational system?

Should a student that has worked hard for his/her grades use some of his GPA and spread it to those who 1. Haven't worked as hard or 2. Grew up in a less ideal situation than the kid with the higher GPA?

If not, why not if you support class warfare?

Where does class warfare stop?
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Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
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You are kidding, right?
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
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Everyone making good grades works hard for them?
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lumberjack4 said:
Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
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well done :clapping:
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
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Hmmm...I think ignorant, whinny, generalizations are dumb comrade. Stalin would be proud though.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Your GPA example is dumb. Of course the person who studies hard and does well in school deserves the better grade; they earned it. But when it comes to money the only difference between being rich and poor is the willingness to steal it from someone. Obviously we need a 'fair' system in place to make sure that the victims of Capital are taken care of.
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Right on comrade!
 

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Class warfare never ends. It can't. Once you set down that path, then there is always another 'injustice' to right. Eventually, it becomes the ruling class against the serfs. Class warfare is just another form of evil -ism, like sexism, racism, ageism, etc.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Class warfare never ends. It can't. Once you set down that path, then there is always another 'injustice' to right. Eventually, it becomes the ruling class against the serfs. Class warfare is just another form of evil -ism, like sexism, racism, ageism, etc.
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Class warfare is straight from the playbook of the Communist Party.

"The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It ... has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “payment in cash” ... for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation ... Constant revolutionizing of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones ... All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind." - Communist Manifesto


A Layman's Look at the Communist Manifesto
 
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BigPapaVol said:
who said that or even implied it? He blatantly stated that those with good grades worked hard for them, which is untrue.
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Where did I say hard work equals good grades? For me personally school was a breeze. I never worked for my grades it all came easily, but I earned them none the less which was the point of my statement.
 
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I'm always amused by the accusations of "class warfare" that, essentially, work from the bottom against the top. Somehow, in this Randian wet dream, the vulnerable rich are the prey of the savage, lazy and evil masses. Yet, in our society, we have continually expanding gaps of wealth disparity while the same people benefiting greatly from our laws and financial practices are able to simultaneously play the victim in a brilliant ploy that has fooled millions in this country to vote against their own self interest. I have no idea why people who make millions by letting their investment money sit there, paying lower taxes than the average person for doing nothing, is better than a guy busting his hump digging ditches for practically nothing. I guess it works in a world where your value as a person equals your bank account, but I'm not seeing it.

As far as the GPA example, it's flawed like any example that tries to demonstrate the perfidy of the underclass. It comes down to the question "What is fair?" You can argue, in a strict sense, that the quality of the work equals your grade. However, I've seen numerous situations where "fair" is a relative term. Some students can afford tutors, others can't. Some students have parents that provide for them and get the free time to pursue their studies. Others have to provide for their families as teens and work for 8 hours after school. Some students have their parents available to them, while some have none or can even be homeless. The contingencies are endless.

So, again, what is fair? If you had a student on one side with two stable parents, nice home and the emotional support would she be a better, more worthy student than the one who has been abused by their parents/adult friend/etc (which happens more than people realize), are responsible for taking care of their brothers and sisters or any number of situations?

Ultimately, the GPA allegory is a nice, succinct and cute way to wrap a simplistic argument, but it fails to comprehend the vast complexities of the world we live within.
 
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cut out welfare and unemployment pay! You'll work or die! Suddenly those who choose work realize what taxes are and how much the fing govt takes at gun point every fing payday.get a job people!
 
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tvols75 said:
When looking at an issue, whether it is a Republican or Democrat idea, I like to look at the logic behind it. When analyzing something, I like to apply it to different areas of life and see how it really works.

Does class warfare get moved into our educational system?

Should a student that has worked hard for his/her grades use some of his GPA and spread it to those who 1. Haven't worked as hard or 2. Grew up in a less ideal situation than the kid with the higher GPA?

If not, why not if you support class warfare?

Where does class warfare stop?
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It never will. There will always be people who are worried about what someone else is doing. There will always be jealousy and people who consider themselves a victim no matter what.
 
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