Where does Mariano Rivera rank all time?

[VOLinthaNATI]

Seriously, I'd like you to do me a favor. I mean this. Please reach over to the right and click ignore under my name. You disagree with literally everything I post, apparently, but instead of refuting it with arguments and facts, you just call it "garbage" and leave it at that. So then I respond with arguments supporting my position. And since you're apparently incapable of having an actual discussion, you always reply with personal attacks, huff angrily about how you know what you know, and that's it. Until the next time you call something I post "garbage" and it starts over again.

I've spent far too much time trying to have a decent argument with you about baseball only to have you take personal shots at me because you can't do any better. So please -- put me on ignore so you won't see my posts anymore, because talking about baseball with you is useless.

Please don't take what is posted on this message board so seriously. I give my best friends a much harder time and take much more personal shots on a regular basis. It's all in good fun. But there is no reason to argue and you know it. You have your opinion and I have mine and neither one of us will back down. What's the point?

It's not that serious...

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Rivera has proved that you only need one pitch to get people out. I'm fairly confident he could get through any lineup anytime.

And you started with "hard-throwing quality starter," to "top-of the-rotation starter," above (your words) and the guys you listed. They are all more than just a "hard-throwing quality starter" (your words).

Do you know how many guys there are currently in the minors that can throw it through a wall but can't get anybody out? Being able to throw hard or having good stuff means nothing if you cannot locate or throw it over the plate which is 100x more important when closing when there is often little room for error over starting when you have time to catch up...

And please don't ever, EVER, use an All-Star game to prove a point. :good!:

BTW, Tim McCarver is a clown.

:hi:

And this is my argument before I decided there was no reason to continue it. FYI.

 

[whocaresgobobcats]

You're kidding right?

I've played baseball my whole life. I pitched in college on a scholarship. I've coached ever since.

I've spent several summers helping coach the best high school players in the country at a baseball organization here in Cincinnati. I am very good friends with 20+ MLB scouts and know several former pitching coaches that I speak with on a regular basis. I work with college coaches and pitching coaches on a daily basis. I know a hell of alot about developing pitchers.

Some of what he says has some merit. No doubt about it. But the mental aspect of being a closer is much tougher than he thinks.

Perfect example. Did you see how the Cardinals lost yesterday? Jason Motte throws 100 with a pretty sick duece but he can't get anyone out and has been wildly inconsistent his whole career. Why do you think that is? It's absolutely not his stuff.

He's actually been improving at a pretty rapid pace. His K/9 has stayed around 8 while his BB/9 and HR/9 have dropped dramatically. His FIP is 2.55 and has improved each year.

One game is a SSS.

 

[615 Vol]

Furcal didn't do Motte any favors last night either.