Which Bowls would you cut?

#26
#26
I would change one thing...the bowl has to have an actual name. I don't mind the sponser being in front of it but have a name. This has gotten better, as the Citrus and Gator Bowls have gone back after being the Captial One and Tax Slayer Bowls.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's probably true that the bowls would continue to have a geographic bias, but I think some bowls would step out a bit. For instance, Nashville is a tourist attraction with appeal beyond the Southeast. Imagine a Music City Bowl that pits LSU vs USC.
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The "bigger name" non-NY6 bowls, or bowl games in a location with appeal beyond the region of the country it is in, might certainly do that.

I don't know how many USC fans would be willing to make a near cross-country trip to watch what would be a mediocre USC team play in the Music City Bowl (certainly more than there would have been 15 years ago), but anything that loosens what amounts to restrictions on who can play in the game I'd be in favor of.
 
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I’m trying to add a bowl to Charleston or Myrtle Beach. Both have the infrastructure to support a 30 or 40k turnout . A low level B1G team vs a MAC team would bring a bunch of fans.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I can see this being beneficial to the teams not going to bowls. The Sr's wouldn't necessarily be involved other than to be on the "scout" team. It would give the coaching staff, whether existing or new, to see what they have to work with going into next season.
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Some schools may even choose to stay home instead of spending the money to go to a meaningless bowl.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I’m trying to add a bowl to Charleston or Myrtle Beach. Both have the infrastructure to support a 30 or 40k turnout . A low level B1G team vs a MAC team would bring a bunch of fans.
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That might be tough. The Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl in St. Pete doesn't draw squat. The few people you see in the stands were given tickets from Ferg's Sports Bar across the street from the Trop.

I'm not sure where you would have the game in either location (Chas. or MB). The largest venues in Charleston are The Joe or Blackbaud Stadium...or maybe the Citadel's stadium. I would assume the largest venue in MB is where the Pelicans play.

I went to the Camping World Bowl last year between OK Lite vs. VT and there were maybe 20-25K people there.
 
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hog88 said:
Some schools may even choose to stay home instead of spending the money to go to a meaningless bowl.
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That's an unintended consequence I hadn't thought of....and great point.

I can see schools that run leaner staying home from a lower bowl because most teams lose money on those.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That might be tough. The Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl in St. Pete doesn't draw squat. The few people you see in the stands were given tickets from Ferg's Sports Bar across the street from the Trop.

I'm not sure where you would have the game in either location (Chas. or MB). The largest venues in Charleston are The Joe or Blackbaud Stadium...or maybe the Citadel's stadium. I would assume the largest venue in MB is where the Pelicans play.

I went to the Camping World Bowl last year between OK Lite vs. VT and there were maybe 20-25K people there.
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I agree about the venues, but I think if you got some lower level midwestern teams their fans would travel. I would guess that 2/3 or 3/4 of teams from a power 5 conference won’t travel to a lesser bowl game or to a town like Shreveport or Birmingham.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That's an unintended consequence I hadn't thought of....and great point.

I can see schools that run leaner staying home from a lower bowl because most teams lose money on those.
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Don't some conferences not allow their teams to decline bowl bids except for extenuating circumstances?
 
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n_huffhines said:
None of them mean anything other than playoff. The name of a prestigious bowl is a nice thing to put on your resume, but as a fan, if there is a mismatch in the Rose Bowl, I'll be more excited about the Sun Bowl.
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If the Rose Bowl isn't part of the playoff, it still means something imo. Especially to Pac 10 and Big 10 teams and fanbases.
 
#37
#37
i just wish my bowels would move regularly, I don't want to get rid of them.....oh wait....sorry :eek:
 
#38
#38
Can we just go ahead and make it a 8 or 16 team playoff and use that for the bowls? They can use the leftover bowls for teams that do not make the playoff. That way it’s a true playoff system and not this 4 team bull crap and everyone still gets their bowl games.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Can we just go ahead and make it a 8 or 16 team playoff and use that for the bowls? They can use the leftover bowls for teams that do not make the playoff. That way it’s a true playoff system and not this 4 team bull crap and everyone still gets their bowl games.
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No. No. No. a sixteen team playoff destroys what makes the college football regular season so special. I hope they never go further than the current four team setup. You have to destroy it in the regular season this way.
 
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bamawriter said:
I agree. For me, the reason to stay at four is because the semis are only producing decent games 25% of the time.
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That's a very good point. If they need proof of why NOT to expand look no further than the semi-final games now. Most are blowouts. Every now and them you get a Bama vs. OSU from '14 and OU vs. UGA from last year.

More often than not you get blowouts. 2016 was pathetic when Clemson beat OSU 31-0 and Bama beat Wash. 24-7. 2015 was a joke, as well.
 
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At this point they just need to give every team a bowl game. But instead of conference tie-ins and backroom “drafting” of teams, create an computer to compare and match up teams.
Take us for example, last year we were 4-8 and with the current system of picking we’d be matched to another 4-8 or 5-7 G5 team when reality would have us most likely playing a 7-5 or 8-4 G5 team which could be accomplished with the right computer algorithm.
Honestly the bowls would be more interesting if people and money were taken out of the selection process. That’s how we end up with 20 bowls where teams have no business being matched together, much like the 3 bowls Lyle went too. We destroyed teams with close to equal records but the fact that the other teams wins were against garbage teams and how they lost to better teams were completely ignored. A 8-4 SEC team should never play a 8-4 B1G team. The B1G is mostly garbage so unless it would actually be a good match up (that’s eason not historically) then most of the time an 8-4 sec team should get matched up with a 10-2 B1G or big 12 team. And a 5-7 sec team should get matched against a 10-2 or 11-1 G5 team.

But anyway I say let every team play that extra game, just use the season as a guide to match the best teams together so they would be interesting to actually watch.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That's a very good point. If they need proof of why NOT to expand look no further than the semi-final games now. Most are blowouts. Every now and them you get a Bama vs. OSU from '14 and OU vs. UGA from last year.

More often than not you get blowouts. 2016 was pathetic when Clemson beat OSU 31-0 and Bama beat Wash. 24-7. 2015 was a joke, as well.
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That’s because of how they are selecting the “best” teams and ignoring things that should include some teams and exclude others.

I say take the playoff to 16 if you insist on giving the B1G champ an auto in when they only play 1-2 decent teams every year. At 16 you can give the P5 champs an auto in and then you have 11 spots to give non P5 champs and G5 teams like UCF their shot they should’ve gotten. Also don’t let idiot humans do the selecting. If people would just let programmers do their thing and quit favoring certain conferences and what not like the BCS did then a computer algorithm could be created to give the idiot humans a list of say 20 teams and then the humans would need darn good reasons on why they left the 4 out they did, but they could never pick a team that wasn’t in the original list.
That would end these stupid P5 teams getting in and getting blown out while better teams get left out because they don’t have the history or don’t have as big of a fan base and could result in less money.
 
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JFBanicki said:
I say take the playoff to 16 if you insist on giving the B1G champ an auto in when they only play 1-2 decent teams every year.
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The Big 10 champ has only made 2 of the 4 playoffs so far. No one is insisting on anything for them.

At 16 you can give the P5 champs an auto in and then you have 11 spots to give non P5 champs and G5 teams like UCF their shot they should’ve gotten.
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You are complaining about the Big 10 champ playing an easy schedule, yet you think UCF should have had a shot?

Also don’t let idiot humans do the selecting. If people would just let programmers do their thing
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It is amazing that people still think the computers were a good idea. Do you not recall why the computers were lowered from one half to one third of the BCS formula? It's because the computers kept screwing up the title games. Humans can watch games; computers can't.

That would end these stupid P5 teams getting in and getting blown out while better teams get left out because they don’t have the history or don’t have as big of a fan base and could result in less money.
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Of the six semifinal teams thay got blown out, which ones do you think should not have made the playoff, and who do you think would have done better?

'14 FSU
'15 Michigan St and Oklahoma
'16 Ohio St and Washington
'17 Clemson
 
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JFBanicki said:
Also don’t let idiot humans do the selecting. If people would just let programmers do their thing and quit favoring certain conferences and what not like the BCS did then a computer algorithm could be created to give the idiot humans a list of say 20 teams and then the humans would need darn good reasons on why they left the 4 out they did, but they could never pick a team that wasn’t in the original list.
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Mankind's greatest skill is the ability to complain no matter the situation.

This is precisely what was the biggest complaint about the BCS; that it was left (in part) to computer "who knew nothing about football."

There is never, ever, going to be a postseason system in college football that is "perfect." This isn't the NFL with 32 teams playing roughly equivalent strengths of schedules. There are 129 teams in FBS football. They can't all play each other, or even a representative sample of the population of teams, and there is a chasm separating the top 25 from the bottom 25. There has to be some type of ranking of the teams done at the end of the season, and at least now there is a 4-team playoff ultimately determined by a human committee but in consultation of other metrics.

It's gotten much better over time; the Bowl Coalition was better than purely using end of season polls to decide, the Bowl Alliance was better than the Bowl Coalition, the BCS was better than the Bowl Coalition, and the CFP is better than the BCS. Each new system has more and more of the result being decided on the field. Hell, it wasn't even until 1998 that we had a guaranteed #1 vs. #2 play each other in a bowl. Based on the pre-BCS bowl systems, quite often #1 and #2 didn't even play each other because of how the bowl tie-ins worked, and the #1 team in the country would be decided by a poll.
 
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05_never_again said:
Mankind's greatest skill is the ability to complain no matter the situation.

This is precisely what was the biggest complaint about the BCS; that it was left (in part) to computer "who knew nothing about football."

There is never, ever, going to be a postseason system in college football that is "perfect." This isn't the NFL with 32 teams playing roughly equivalent strengths of schedules. There are 129 teams in FBS football. They can't all play each other, or even a representative sample of the population of teams, and there is a chasm separating the top 25 from the bottom 25. There has to be some type of ranking of the teams done at the end of the season, and at least now there is a 4-team playoff ultimately determined by a human committee but in consultation of other metrics.

It's gotten much better over time; the Bowl Coalition was better than purely using end of season polls to decide, the Bowl Alliance was better than the Bowl Coalition, the BCS was better than the Bowl Coalition, and the CFP is better than the BCS. Each new system has more and more of the result being decided on the field. Hell, it wasn't even until 1998 that we had a guaranteed #1 vs. #2 play each other in a bowl. Based on the pre-BCS bowl systems, quite often #1 and #2 didn't even play each other because of how the bowl tie-ins worked, and the #1 team in the country would be decided by a poll.
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This. I laugh at the people saying they want it to go back "to how it used to be"...no thanks. I'll take the playoff no matter how flawed it is over voting for teams, having teams auto-tied into bowls and #1 and #2 having a great chance of not even playing.
 
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