Which Lineup do You See as The LV’s Best Starting Five?

#26
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Volfan2012 said:
I am fairly positive that the data does not support the present starting lineup as the most productive. I am glad that they are still determining this as it certainly is a factor in winning and losing.
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I wonder why you think the coaching staff pays for data analysis then ignores it? Why would they start a lineup they thought was not best suited to winning the game? Have I missed a conspiracy theory?
 
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I wonder if the initial starters / playing time was based on scrimmage data? Integrating game stats into the existing data could take some time to move the needle. I would think you need data against 3 quality teams before it would be practical to use.

Of course you have to go off your own eyes, grading system, and common sense as well. But the data can help you "see" what your eyes are missing.
 
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Depends.
If playing against a big, tough team...
Walker
Burrell
Davis
Green
KK or Key
If playing against a 4-guard team...
Walker
Horston
Burrell
Davis
Key
 
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Maybe she's adjusted since, but I recall that Rennia really struggled playing the 4 when she was a freshman. She did not have the physicality for it, and hasn't seem to have gotten any bigger. I think she's better at the wing with Burrell at the 4.
 
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FrozenLVFan said:
Depends.
If playing against a big, tough team...
Walker
Burrell
Davis
Green
KK or Key
If playing against a 4-guard team...
Walker
Horston
Burrell
Davis
Key
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Amb3096 said:
Maybe she's adjusted since, but I recall that Rennia really struggled playing the 4 when she was a freshman. She did not have the physicality for it, and hasn't seem to have gotten any bigger. I think she's better at the wing with Burrell at the 4.
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Agree with both of you. I am intrigued by the Walker Horston Burrell Davis Key lineup but fear it is too lacking in power forwardism. I favor an 8 1/2 player rotation - Davis, Burrell, Walker, Hortson, Key, Suraz, Green, Salary with KK being the half, used only in bruiser situations.
 
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glv98 said:
I wonder why you think the coaching staff pays for data analysis then ignores it? Why would they start a lineup they thought was not best suited to winning the game? Have I missed a conspiracy theory?
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I've watched the games and no way the data supports that at the power positions were starting the best players. There has to be other reasons as no way Suarez and Green better suited for the five than Key or even KK. That is almost definitely true of the point position as well and the stats of the first three games back this up in both situations. The data they are talking about may suggest that Green, Suarez, Walker, Davis and Burrell play together well as a group but as we saw that group had huge inside matchup problems against W. Va from the very start and changes had to be made quickly before we got to far behind. That lineup would work tonight against Furman which I'm sure is not a big team. Huge problem if they start against Texas watch Texas jump out to a quick lead by dominating Suarez and Green inside. This is also true against most SEC teams as well you need to start a true five you can't have a four and a player that should probably be a three as your inside players easy for a big post player to dominate right from the start. If the data is saying those are the five best players then it is also totally ignoring opponent matchups which are far more important to understand if your doing your best to win the game.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I've watched the games and no way the data supports that at the power positions were starting the best players. There has to be other reasons as no way Suarez and Green better suited for the five than Key or even KK. That is almost definitely true of the point position as well and the stats of the first three games back this up in both situations. The data they are talking about may suggest that Green, Suarez, Walker, Davis and Burrell play together well as a group but as we saw that group had huge inside matchup problems against W. Va from the very start and changes had to be made quickly before we got to far behind. That lineup would work tonight against Furman which I'm sure is not a big team. Huge problem if they start against Texas watch Texas jump out to a quick lead by dominating Suarez and Green inside. This is also true against most SEC teams as well you need to start a true five you can't have a four and a player that should probably be a three as your inside players easy for a big post player to dominate right from the start. If the data is saying those are the five best players then it is also totally ignoring opponent matchups which are far more important to understand if your doing your best to win the game.
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Say no more ! KJH needs to stop talking about the data they are getting. If you look at the SEC now and how it`s has changed, No team is shooting lights out from the 3 not even Ark. Order then Ark every team in the SEC has size on the wing or in the middle or at both position.
 
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Just a crackpot theory, but perhaps the staff is trying to keep a balance of offense on the floor and also trying to protect players who have a tendency to pick up early fouls by bringing them off the bench.

Personally, I'd like to see the five best start and then rotate one sub in for them to spell a starter and then sub again when the starter returns. Try to keep at least 4 of your best on the floor at all times.

Of course, that would be affected by foul problems, injuries, ineffective play by starter, hot hand from sub, odd matchups with teams, etc. But, as a rule, I'd like to see the bench used to support the main cast rather than sharing the lead roles.
 
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glv98 said:
Great observation. It's a mistake to always consider not starting an insult or punishment, especially for a young, developing player. Give me a choice between getting introduced to the non-crowd or big mins, I'll take the mins. I definitely think JH is top five talentwise. I also think right now, coming off the bench is best for her, most especially if (shudder) you intend her to be primary ball handler. Watch the first few minutes. Coach in ear. What are they doing defensively? What would you do? This has apparently been working so leave it alone for now.

We need to keep JH on the upswing by playing her in the very best position to score and rebound - 2 guard. I'd be much more comfortable w JH starting if it is not at PG. Which means we really, really need Walker to come thru.

Walker
Burrell
Davis
Green
Key or

Walker
Horston
Burrell
Davis
Key
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This is my best too. Key is the kind of player every coach would want to have. Let her come off the bench is not the best. She can easily get 20 blocks in a single game.
 
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We can discuss different starting lineups and this is very important. However, in the Texas game, Collier is going to score 40-50 points on us if Kellie does not double team her like Blair did. Key is a good shot blocker, but she cannot handle Collier by herself.
 
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Nute Gunray said:
We can discuss different starting lineups and this is very important. However, in the Texas game, Collier is going to score 40-50 points on us if Kellie does not double team her like Blair did. Key is a good shot blocker, but she cannot handle Collier by herself.
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Agree. There would be a good possibility that Tamari might end up on the bench with fouls otherwise.
 
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creekdipper said:
Let's get those bocks out.
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now stop that
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sisaq said:
This is my best too. Key is the kind of player every coach would want to have. Let her come off the bench is not the best. She can easily get 20 blocks in a single game.
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sisaq said:
This is my best too. Key is the kind of player every coach would want to have. Let her come off the bench is not the best. She can easily get 20 blocks in a single game.
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I think the intention was to play her more than she played against W Va fouls prevented that from happening. Against some teams we must go bigger to start the game or probably start out behind. I like Suarez and Green but don't think either one of them can guard some of the centers coming up even for five minutes so one of them needs to be out of the starting lineup when we play Texas. then Texas A&M.and onward. Even Ole Miss and Auburn have centers they can't guard.
 
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