White House announces Medicaid overhaul

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C-south said:
Welfare should be temporary and the absolute barest of essentials needed to survive. Nobody on welfare should thrive because people that work do.
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So long as the barest of essentials includes suicide risk calculation and observation, which I had to have done to my 8 year old today.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'm curious. How do you determine who 'can't take care of themselves'? I am all for helping those people. But those that WON'T take care of themselves should be allowed to starve in the street.
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That's a complex issue. I wish it could be simplified.

I have to take a day off every couple years to fill out the paperwork and take the tests to prove I'm still an amputee so I can keep my Vocational Rehab assistance and handicap placard. My dad has to do the paperwork for my mother and drive her to all the appointments, and since he's not salaried he has to bank sick leave and save it up to do so for her. I find it exhausting that our government doesn't consider permanent disability permanent, and having to prove what's already been proven is expensive.

At the same time, it's so easy to get temporary disability that I could have done it when I had both legs. Find the right doctor, sign on the dotted line, profit.
 
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AshG said:
Nope. Put 0% of my taxes towards corporate subsidies, lower the amount paid towards defense, and transfer the difference to safety net programs.
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corporate subsidies account for less than 1% of the total budget. and I am against those. cut em. its more like .001%
defense accounts for 18% (including benefits for VA)
medicaid is 16% of our budget. 2% less than the "too" much we spend on the military.
medicare is another 14%
Social Security is 25%
55%>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>18%

Remind me what needs to get cut.
 
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AshG said:
Nice assumption. Wrong, but nice. Shove your label maker back in the box while you're at it.

If all boats are rising, then we'll have the revenue to keep taking care of those who can't take care of themselves.
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lets say we raise care now. what happens during a down turn? they actually cut benefits? lol.
the government never corrects. it just keeps spending more.
you can't argue the market when the government doesnt cover the market.
 
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AshG said:
Nice assumption. Wrong, but nice. Shove your label maker back in the box while you're at it.

If all boats are rising, then we'll have the revenue to keep taking care of those who can't take care of themselves.
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Except many of them actually take care of themselves but choose not to
 
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LouderVol said:
the federal government says the same. the largest growing market in the US is the government. thanks Trump.
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Meanwhile the CBO says that we will be running trillion dollar deficits for several years. I don't think you can blame it all on Trump.
 
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PeaceCorpsVol said:
Next will be social security
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How so? It's a trust fund with a balance that's projected to remain a surplus for another decade. Even if the surplus draws down to zero it would only require small adjustments to benefits or the payroll deduction rate to sustain it for many more decades. Worst case scenario is that annual payouts will simply be equal to the collections.
 
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AshG said:
And that's a very important discussion to have. The problem is that the artificial 'sides' of the discussion are both so dead-set on their specific way being right that we can't put our heads together and figure out a mutually beneficial way moving forward.

Much to the disbelief of some people here, I hate that my children rely on Medicaid and I want them to be off of it ASAP. But the moment we cross that economic red line, my family will have $10,000+ more in expenses a year on top of the medical mess I've created for us. We don't have cable. We have the cheapest wireless plan we can live with. Neither of my kids have a cell phone and won't for the foreseeable future. There's one TV in the house, and it's 10 years old.

And the message that I wish I could leave them with is that I don't want their money, We're finally in a position where we're paying down the $9k in medical debt from when we lived in Mississippi, plus credit card debt we accrued trying to make sure the kids had food during the lean years. Then we can start saving and investing. But the moment I mention the kids are on Medicaid, something we're ashamed of, I'm a leftist who wants money I didn't earn. No. I just want the climb back up to be a little less steep, and my kids to not suffer because I'm too ill to work a second job.

I harbor no ill will towards anyone here. Not at all. Just frustration at times.
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this is what I am facing. really about 5k a year thanks to ACA. I have kept track.
Heres the thing. I am healthy-ish (I need two knee replacements, elbow, and ankle surgeries). I "can't" afford them due to the cost increases under ACA. I can but it kills any chance of buying a house.
I feel for you. I really do. But the weight of society is sinking me, and many in my situation.
No one my age talks about it, because they never look at the numbers. But the numbers have screwed me. and thats not even taking into account all the other welfare I am paying for with my taxes.

Taxes don't hurt the rich. they never will. but they cripple those like me. those who like you mentioned are just "rich" enough where I qualify for nothing. and I am too "healthy" to qualify for any benefits. This is my eighth year in Atlanta. for the first 3.5 I was under the poverty level for Atlanta. I have worked my way up. I just want a chance to take care of myself, hopefully get a family that I can take care of. But I am cut back at EVERY corner by the government and ALL these effing programs that only take and take and take and give nothing to those like me.

until those like me, and honestly those worse than me, because thankfully I have been smart, are actually addressed it is too much. Your frustration is shared, and as much as it kills me to say it, you have no high ground in this argument.

i know I have ranted like this before, and it kills me, but I have to vent. Believe me this is one of the things I struggle with the most. I pray constantly on it, and have found no answers I like. But I can't help but sit here and think, what could I do with a 40% bigger pay check (Fed and GA taxes). what could someone like you do? Probably doesn't get you there. But I got to think its just as viable of a blanket option as what we have now. and it doesn't screw everyone over.
 
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LouderVol said:
I feel for you. I really do. But the weight of society is sinking me, and many in my situation.
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Here's where our elected officials really piss me off.

I'm sorry that the ACA has been a crap show for you. I really am. It's horribly imperfect, and the circus it was rammed through under is embarrassing. But so have been the attempts to undo it. I and my family are thankful it was in place when it was because I blew through what would have been my lifetime maximum coverage before the ACA when I went septicemia in 2013. I benefitted, but I agree it's horribly flawed.

But instead of fixing what's broken, the fight is between leaving it alone or gutting it completely. The two main camps want their own way so badly that they can't see the opportunity to work together and fix what's broken a piece at a time. And I could possibly even stand for a repeal and replace but there's got to be a replacement to sell me on first - not just the promise of one later.

Panem et circenses. They don't really care about us in Washington unless we can pad their coffers and help them get reelected.
 
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AshG said:
That's a complex issue. I wish it could be simplified.

I have to take a day off every couple years to fill out the paperwork and take the tests to prove I'm still an amputee so I can keep my Vocational Rehab assistance and handicap placard. My dad has to do the paperwork for my mother and drive her to all the appointments, and since he's not salaried he has to bank sick leave and save it up to do so for her. I find it exhausting that our government doesn't consider permanent disability permanent, and having to prove what's already been proven is expensive.

At the same time, it's so easy to get temporary disability that I could have done it when I had both legs. Find the right doctor, sign on the dotted line, profit.
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You should be angry at those that abuse the system.
 
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AshG said:
Here's where our elected officials really piss me off.

I'm sorry that the ACA has been a crap show for you. I really am. It's horribly imperfect, and the circus it was rammed through under is embarrassing. But so have been the attempts to undo it. I and my family are thankful it was in place when it was because I blew through what would have been my lifetime maximum coverage before the ACA when I went septicemia in 2013. I benefitted, but I agree it's horribly flawed.

But instead of fixing what's broken, the fight is between leaving it alone or gutting it completely. The two main camps want their own way so badly that they can't see the opportunity to work together and fix what's broken a piece at a time. And I could possibly even stand for a repeal and replace but there's got to be a replacement to sell me on first - not just the promise of one later.

Panem et circenses. They don't really care about us in Washington unless we can pad their coffers and help them get reelected.
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Are you and your wife both employed?
 
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AshG said:
Nice assumption. Wrong, but nice. Shove your label maker back in the box while you're at it.

If all boats are rising, then we'll have the revenue to keep taking care of those who can't take care of themselves.
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If we only had to take care of the ones that can't take care of themselves there would be more than enough money.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The Ponzi scheme will come crashing down. Probably not until after I retire so I won't see a nickel of all I have paid into it. Either that or I will be means tested out of the benefits... that I paid for.
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Yes, but we have spent 6.4 trillion on the afgan and iraqi wars. You like to complain about welfare, but that is just fine
 
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Purple Tiger said:
It's not your money if you have already paid it in taxes. It's our government's money.
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I just threw up in my mouth.

Nothing is “our government‘s” absolutely nothing, all money and public property within this country belongs to us citizens. The government is nothing more than a trustee of our money and they are doing a piss poor job.
 
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hog88 said:
I just threw up in my mouth.

Nothing is “our government‘s” absolutely nothing, all money and public property within this country belongs to us citizens. The government is nothing more than a trustee of our money and they are doing a piss poor job.
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Don't choke. I get just as sick when I hear people say "my money" when they talk about tax revenue. As you said, the revenue is OUR money, not just yours.
 
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There’s a woman at my wife’s work that has her kid on TennCare. The company offers good insurance but since the TennCare is free she just does that. Baby daddy lives with them but they keep things separated so the kid still qualifies. The eligibility cutoff for Coverkids for a family of 4 is $64k. CHIP in TN covers pregnant women regardless of immigration status, so you can imagine what’s happening there.
 
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If we cleaned up the waste and fraud we would have enough money for all those that truly need help. Case in point... Some here know my mom suffers from Alzheimer's. Unfortunately for my family but fortunately for her , her life is coming to an end soon. We recently took her to the hospital because she was suffering from a urinary tract infection. She's been on hospice that's 100% covered by Medicare. The rules for hospice state that they can't administer an IV so she had to come off hospice for her hospital visit and then when we got her home we had to go through all the hoops to get her back on. While in the hospital, her condition improved to where she could eat and drink. She was eating something when the Dr. came in and we asked him about ordering meals for her. He said he couldn't authorize that until she was seen by a speech therapist to make sure she could swallow. We pointed out she was currently eating right there in front of him. He said that's great but I want to make sure. I'm sure that was another $300 bucks or so that Medicare will have to pay.

There were other instances as well that made me scratch my head. It goes on every day all over the country. It's billions in waste.
 
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hog88 said:
No, a person should never have the attitude “it’s the government’s money” that thinking is why we are in the debt we are in.
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What have you done to protest or reduce the national debt? The guy you voted for has raised the national debt by $3 trillion in 3 years. And he once bragged about fixing the problem:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump: “When you have $18-$19 trillion in debt, they need someone like me to straighten it out"
 
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