White House says critics helping al-qaeda

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#26
Well crap, I was hoping to see the neo-cons come in support for Obama and the uber-liberals to ridicule him.

This place is no fun anymore.
 
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#27
This is another assault on the 1st Amendment. Speak out against Obama and you're supporting terrorists.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
This is another assault on the 1st Amendment. Speak out against Obama and you're supporting terrorists.
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Wouldn't he have to have some esteem for the Constitution in order to acknowledge the 1st Amendment? :dunno:
 
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VolInMn said:
I assume you were fine with people speaking out against Bush during regarding the war in Iraq, right?
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Sure, I disagreed with them and thought they were wrong on some things, but I actually like the 1st Amendment and the whole Constitution for that matter. People should be distrustful of their government.
 
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VolInMn said:
I assume you were fine with people speaking out against Bush during regarding the war in Iraq, right?
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As was I and I stated more than once in this forum that it was BS to question someone's patriotism if they were against the war.

I think an argument can be made that political point scoring does help the enemy in some ways. There's no doubt that some the political rhetoric against the war may have encouraged the enemy to drag things out or change tactics - it is what it is. That certainly doesn't mean one side should just shut up though
 
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volinbham said:
As was I and I stated more than once in this forum that it was BS to question someone's patriotism if they were against the war.
I think an argument can be made that political point scoring does help the enemy in some ways. There's no doubt that some the political rhetoric against the war may have encouraged the enemy to drag things out or change tactics - it is what it is. That certainly doesn't mean one side should just shut up though
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I agree.

Taking shots at the troops, is a different story.
 
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J-P said:
So now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's getting old? "Mission Accomplished", "No War for Oil", "Bush lied, People died", anyone?
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"Mission Accomplished" was appropriately derided as the failed publicity stunt that it was.

"No War for Oil" was a perfectly reasonable summation of the sentiment many had that the war in Iraq was about securing access to oil.

"Bush lied, People died" was inaccurate in the sense that Bush had no idea he was lying. He was incompetent in that regard. Remember, however, that this particular saying was also a retort to the lingering antagonism over Clinton, ie that Clinton lied to get some cheap sex whereas Bush's inaccuracies had much more dire consequences.


lumberjack4 said:
This is another assault on the 1st Amendment. Speak out against Obama and you're supporting terrorists.
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Conservatives whining about their First Amendment rights is just about the most ironic thing on the planet.


volinbham said:
As was I and I stated more than once in this forum that it was BS to question someone's patriotism if they were against the war.

I think an argument can be made that political point scoring does help the enemy in some ways. There's no doubt that some the political rhetoric against the war may have encouraged the enemy to drag things out or change tactics - it is what it is. That certainly doesn't mean one side should just shut up though
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I agree. I just wish that the criticisms were genuine, and not for political gain. And that goes for both parties as I think both have been guilty of politicizing this and both have been self righteous when being questioned.
 
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Let's just kick some ass man. Come on, if they want Al Queda to stop in their tracks, then they need to let our boys work and do what they are trained to do.
 
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Leave our military to their own devices and we'd be much better off. Unfortunately, Washington has always liked to meddle in the military's affairs, to the detriment of the nation
 
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"Bush lied, People died" was inaccurate in the sense that Bush had no idea he was lying. He was incompetent in that regard. Remember, however, that this particular saying was also a retort to the lingering antagonism over Clinton, ie that Clinton lied to get some cheap sex whereas Bush's inaccuracies had much more dire consequences.

Keep in mind that if Bush lied about this then so did pretty much every democrat and the UN. I remember democrats on the senate floor saying Hussein should not be allowed to keep WMDs









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My problem with the Bush administration in this regard was they seemed to paint anybody who was against the war as against the troops, all under the cloak of being patriotic, which is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Questioning policy and leaders is the most patriotic right we have. The sooner Obama learns this the sooner these pathetic PR tactics will cease. It's almost like presidents have to learn the same leasons every 4 or 8 years.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Leave our military to their own devices and we'd be much better off. Unfortunately, Washington has always liked to meddle in the military's affairs, to the detriment of the nation
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Crazy talk. The military is a tool of the people and, as such, answers to elected civilian authority.
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rjd970 said:
My problem with the Bush administration in this regard was they seemed to paint anybody who was against the war as against the troops, all under the cloak of being patriotic, which is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Questioning policy and leaders is the most patriotic right we have. The sooner Obama learns this the sooner these pathetic PR tactics will cease. It's almost like presidents have to learn the same leasons every 4 or 8 years.
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Do you have any quotes from Bush where he implied this? I heard him say many times that he would not question anyone's patriotism just because they were against the war.
 
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rjd970 said:
My problem with the Bush administration in this regard was they seemed to paint anybody who was against the war as against the troops, all under the cloak of being patriotic, which is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Questioning policy and leaders is the most patriotic right we have. The sooner Obama learns this the sooner these pathetic PR tactics will cease. It's almost like presidents have to learn the same leasons every 4 or 8 years.
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I'd say this was more right-wing talking heads than the actual administration. It was also the left-wing blogosphere that ramped this up and took every statement to be a challenge. It was annoying as hell though.

The whole "patriot" thing is dumb and the righties would do well to drop it. Just like the lefties would do well to drop "the party of no", "righties hate the poor" stuff.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Once again, loose and imprecise language dooms this entrie "story" (posted originally by Drudge, of course) as well as the majority of posts in this thread.

The criticism of Bush was that he was using terrorism as an excuse to launch and perpetuate a war with a country not nearly as related ot terrorism against the US as was being claimed at the time. The argument was that, in doing so, he gave the actual terrorists more to work with in terms of brewing hate against the US.

The story above is given the - extremely misleading -headline " White House says critics helping Al-qaeda."

But if you read the quote, he is saying that whipping people up into a frenzy by bashing the Obama administration's handling of the war on terror plays into the hands of the terrorists and their goal of causing our citizens to worry all the time, even though chances of the citizen being involved in an attack are extremely remote.

There is nothing wrong with telling the American people not to stop living their lives because of this. That is what is meant by fear-mongering.

Now, you might disagree with that. And that's fine. You might want alarms going off constantly. Okay, I get that. But the rights continuous deliberate misstatement of what has been said by the WH and its officials so as to spin up contrived outrage is just getting so old. They need to find a new ploy.
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Just another good old example of the classic American double standard, the pillar on which our nation was founded. White slave-owners who wanted to be free...In all seriousness, should this even be a surprise to anyone. I know al-Qaeda seems to be the evil force behind every one of this country's problems, just as it was during the Bush administration. Yeah, it was al-Qaeda that flooded New Orleans, started the AIDS epidemic, started the Ice Capades, and ofcourse, now they're the reason Obama's approval ratings are down. What a joke. <---------I'm really sick of saying that.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Just another good old example of the classic American double standard, the pillar on which our nation was founded. White slave-owners who wanted to be free...In all seriousness, should this even be a surprise to anyone. I know al-Qaeda seems to be the evil force behind every one of this country's problems, just as it was during the Bush administration. Yeah, it was al-Qaeda that flooded New Orleans, started the AIDS epidemic, started the Ice Capades, and ofcourse, now they're the reason Obama's approval ratings are down. What a joke. <---------I'm really sick of saying that.
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clearly you haven't been paying attention. everyone knows that Bush caused that hurricane and the subsequent flooding.
 
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He and Congress certainly detonated a bomb in our national debt, they blew it up like a sex toy.
 
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AirVol said:
And Obama detonated the earthquake bomb in Haiti
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Dude - Bush planted "natural disaster bombs" all around the world. Just watch, Halliburton will get some Haiti reconstruction contract.

Heck, Obama cancelled the return to the moon project because he knows Bush stuffed some craters with nukes.

The Bush reign of terror will continue until a Republican is elected president - then any bad doo doo will be his/her fault.
 
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