Who can defend Sanders today?

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 8, 2005 6:59 PM
LG the talent is not being developed.  Last year with Ainge, I sincerely thought that NEXT YEAR was a time for UT to make a serious run. (Schedule was too darn tough)

But now Ainge as regressed, we could easily be a 7-4 team for the next three years.  Our offensive talent level has not kept up with the defense, not because of recruiting, but because technique and personal coaching are far beyond our current staff's expertise.

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Question for you, Lex ...

Seems to me that, with the exception of LSU and 'bama, the SEC this year is not doing much offensively. And even LSU played lights out vs. UT and still lost. It is just an overall feeling I have this year -- no one shines this year in the SEC on offense.

The possible exception is 'bama, but UF played so horribly in that game I think the jury is still out.

 

[tvolsfan]

but gator, our team is so stacked. i bet put this team with vandy's coordinator would score touchodwns.

 

[LadyinOrange]

One thing that everybody seems to forget, is that way back when ( and yes, I was there) was that EVERYBODY Sucked in the SEC except Bama and occasionally Tennessee. Florida was not a powerhouse till Spurrier came along, Georgia is just now coming into its own and we won't even mention the cellar dwellers. It's called PARITY folks and it's here to stay.

Get used to it.

 

[dbaker]

Good leaders bring the best out of their people.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by tvolsfan@Oct 8, 2005 7:07 PM
but gator, our team is so stacked. i bet put this team with vandy's coordinator would score touchodwns.

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Maybe so but its not happening. Blame Sanders, blame Fulmer, blame young QB's, blame it on the rain. Something is missing from UT's offense (it came around for second half of LSU game then split again). Point is, with the exception of 'bama I think a lot of SEC teams out there feel like their defense is their strength.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 8, 2005 7:04 PM
Question for you, Lex ...

Seems to me that, with the exception of LSU and 'bama, the SEC this year is not doing much offensively.  And even LSU played lights out vs. UT and still lost.  It is just an overall feeling I have this year -- no one shines this year in the SEC on offense.

The possible exception is 'bama, but UF played so horribly in that game I think the jury is still out.

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Two responses LG

1. You should be hopeful that is the case because Fla is struggling with offense a bit too. I continue to think Meyer has some soul searching to do about his scheme. There is a reason the option is very poplular at iaa and not at the top level anymore. I honestly wish you the best.

2. I would trade a shine for a glow, or even a dim light. Technically, we put up one TD against FLA, and none against GA. It seams that 21 points would be a reasonable goal for such a loaded offense.

No I do conceed that the SEC has the most athletic defenses in the country. (except arkansas?)

It could be that the Vols are not as talented as we thought. I am almost willing to concede, but even South Carolina scored 15.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 8, 2005 7:10 PM


2.  I would trade a shine for a glow, or even a dim light. 

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LOL. Nice turn of phrase there, Lex.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 8, 2005 7:15 PM
LOL.  Nice turn of phrase there, Lex.

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You know exactly what we are going through right now. I hope for your sake that you guys are on the way up.

 

[VolsWinRLose]

LIO, you're right. No coach is going to win every game in the SEC, but no coach will last long LOSING those games either. FL didn't beat us; we beat ourselves. We beat ourselves tonight.
:banghead:

 

[LadyinOrange]

Originally posted by VolsWinRLose@Oct 8, 2005 7:23 PM
LIO, you're right. No coach is going to win every game in the SEC, but no coach will last long LOSING those games either. FL didn't beat us; we beat ourselves. We beat ourselves tonight.
:banghead:

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As much as I would LOVE to agree with you, I just can't. Georgia beat us, in our own stadium and beat us convincingly. This just isn't the year of the Volunteer.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 8, 2005 7:25 PM
As much as I would LOVE to agree with you, I just can't. Georgia beat us, in our own stadium and beat us convincingly. This just isn't the year of the Volunteer.

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LOI, could you stop all of this heartache and tell me when the next "year of the volunteer will be"

I might mail it in until then.

 

[cibai]

I agree that the o-line is the biggest problem! They are just not giving enough protection on pass plays or making ANY holes on run plays. The other observation I have is that for a team know for running, we rarely run any play action plays. We did a couple times tonight and they worked. But, the run game never got going tonight, and I blame that on the O-Line. Sanders is very predictable, but I am saying it is fumer that needs to go. Clausen is not a great QB, but he has something that no one else on the offense seems to have, desire and dicipline. Fulmer has a very lax mentality at tennesse, and i think all the disipline problems are an indication of this. What marked the Casey Clausen years for me was a lack of desire to win. I still see it everywhere but the defense and Rick Clausen. If we played clemson again in the chick-fil-a bowl right now, we would loose again. College football has changed soooo much in the past few years. Fulmer is too far behind. I would rather have les miles or meyer at coach, because at least they are motivated, and on the cutting edge. Our offence is going down hill while the rest of college football is becoming more offensively oriented. True, defenses win championships, but not without the offense winning any points!! Tonight was a good example. Our defense did VERY well, BUT! when you give a high power offense the ball that many times after that many 3 and outs, it doesnt matter how good you D is. I think Randy and Fulmer need to go, because you are right, Randy is running Fulmer's offense. I think we would be alot better off with Chavis as head coach and a good OC.

 

[DowntownVol]

I can't defend Randy Sanders. The offense is horrible. We have several talented receivers that aren't being developed, aren't making plays (although there were a couple of nice catches today, admittedly.) But I don't think he deserves 100% of the blame for this one - this team has a MASSIVE discipline problem. As good as the defensive front seven is (and they played their hearts out, finally got worn down in the 4th quarter, but what can you expect?), four defensive offsides penalties at crucial points in the game is not acceptable. The absolutely horrendous special teams play is unacceptable. I even chalk up Clausen's interception in the end zone to a lack of discipline (he was clearly distracted by missing an easy touchdown and just kinda floated that one in there without thinking about it, which, of course, spells certain doom).


What bothers me most about the situation is that we have as much talent as anybody in the country with the possible exception of USC, yet we're looking at an 8-4 season (my official prediction... we definitely aren't going to beat Alabama, and the fourth loss will be either Notre Dame or in the Peach/Capital One/Music City/take your pick Crap Bowl), which could just as easily be 7-5 without the Baton Rouge Miracle. No team in college football is doing less with more. And that, my fellow Vol fans, to me, means it's time for a change. Sanders must go at season's end, at an absolute minimum.

By the way, as it stands now, I think 8-4 is being, believe it or not, optimistic. If this team doesn't find some collective focus, and fast, imagine the Ultimate Doomsday Scenario: we lose to Alabama, Notre Dame, South Carolina (hardly a lock now, is it?), and either Vandy (don't laugh&#33 or Memphis (no, seriously, don't laugh&#33. That puts us at 5-6 and WE DON'T GO TO A BOWL GAME. The only game remaining on the schedule that I am 100% confident we will win is Kentucky, because they are just awful, hands down.

Ready to panic yet?

Downtown Vol

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by DowntownVol@Oct 8, 2005 7:29 PM
I can't defend Randy Sanders.  The offense is horrible.  We have several talented receivers that aren't being developed, aren't making plays (although there were a couple of nice catches today, admittedly.)  But I don't think he deserves 100% of the blame for this one - this team has a MASSIVE discipline problem.  As good as the defensive front seven is (and they played their hearts out, finally got worn down in the 4th quarter, but what can you expect?), four defensive offsides penalties at crucial points in the game is not acceptable.    The absolutely horrendous special teams play is unacceptable.  I even chalk up Clausen's interception in the end zone to a lack of discipline (he was clearly distracted by missing an easy touchdown and just kinda floated that one in there without thinking about it, which, of course, spells certain doom).   
What bothers me most about the situation is that we have as much talent as anybody in the country with the possible exception of USC, yet we're looking at an 8-4 season (my official prediction... we definitely aren't going to beat Alabama, and the fourth loss will be either Notre Dame or in the Peach/Capital One/Music City/take your pick Crap Bowl), which could just as easily be 7-5 without the Baton Rouge Miracle.  No team in college football is doing less with more.    And that, my fellow Vol fans, to me, means it's time for a change.  Sanders must go at season's end, at an absolute minimum.

By the way, as it stands now, I think 8-4 is being, believe it or not, optimistic.    If this team doesn't find some collective focus, and fast, imagine the Ultimate Doomsday Scenario: we lose to Alabama, Notre Dame, South Carolina (hardly a lock now, is it?), and either Vandy (don't laugh&#33 or Memphis (no, seriously, don't laugh&#33.    That puts us at 5-6 and WE DON'T GO TO A BOWL GAME.    The only game remaining on the schedule that I am 100% confident we will win is Kentucky, because they are just awful, hands down.

Ready to panic yet?

Downtown Vol

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DT Vol. You are 100% correct but we shouldn't be surprised. He did the same thing in 99. Seems like our offensive talent is not developed AT ALL.

 

[LadyinOrange]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 8, 2005 7:27 PM
LOI, could you stop all of this heartache and tell me when the next "year of the volunteer will be"

I might mail it in until then.    

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What do you think this is, Lexy? Psychic Friends Network? For TRUE Vol fans EVERY year is the Year of the Volunteer.

:matrix:

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 8, 2005 7:33 PM
What do you think this is, Lexy? Psychic Friends Network? For TRUE Vol fans EVERY year is the Year of the Volunteer.

:matrix:

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Rocky Top will always be home sweet home to me :yahoo: :yahoo:
Thanks LIO.

 

[LadyinOrange]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 8, 2005 7:36 PM
Rocky Top will always be home sweat home to me  :yahoo:  :yahoo:
Thanks LIO.

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Ummmmm...you mean SWEET home? Sweat doesn't make for a very pleasant home environment.

:lol:

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by LadyinOrange@Oct 8, 2005 7:38 PM
Ummmmm...you mean SWEET home? Sweat doesn't make for a very pleasant home environment.

:lol:

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And I make fun of others :blush:

 

[LadyinOrange]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 8, 2005 7:51 PM
And I make fun of others :blush:

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No you don't. But I'm glad to know that you are still a Vol fan and can still sing the words to Rocky Top even if you can't SPELL 'em.

:wink2:

 

[obxvol]

With all due respect, LadyinOrange.. What are you smoking? I have just about had it with this happy, sunshine up the backside attitude that it just isn't our season and we all need to just have a big Vol Hug and hope for the best next year. I am even sick and tired when our offense sucks that PF is on the sideline smiling and clapping his hands like everything is ok. Enough of this happy crap. Get in someone's face, grab their facemask and tell them that they can have a seat on the bench until they can perform on the field. If we had a lack of talent, I wouldn't be so fired up but we don't. We are extremely talented and yet we are really bad. That is a direct result of coaching. End of story. Changes must be made. I have no desire to be one of those mamby-pamby fans that just hopes for the best and settles for whatever happens. That is not the Tennessee I know. Win with talent or get out of the way and let someone else do it. The Vols deserve better!

 

[LadyinOrange]

Originally posted by obxvol@Oct 8, 2005 10:45 PM
With all due respect, LadyinOrange.. What are you smoking? I have just about had it with this happy, sunshine up the backside attitude that it just isn't our season and we all need to just have a big Vol Hug and hope for the best next year. I am even sick and tired when our offense sucks that PF is on the sideline smiling and clapping his hands like everything is ok. Enough of this happy crap. Get in someone's face, grab their facemask and tell them that they can have a seat on the bench until they can perform on the field. If we had a lack of talent, I wouldn't be so fired up but we don't. We are extremely talented and yet we are really bad. That is a direct result of coaching. End of story. Changes must be made. I have no desire to be one of those mamby-pamby fans that just hopes for the best and settles for whatever happens. That is not the Tennessee I know. Win with talent or get out of the way and let someone else do it. The Vols deserve better!

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:huh:

Okay.

 

[Vol67]

Originally posted by vol stuck in irishcountry@Oct 8, 2005 6:50 PM
If after all the crappy calls he makes as an OC week in and week out, how in the world can anyone defend him?

This UGA defense is not that solid, we are  making them look great with inept play calling.  Once again so predictable.

Kids come to UT to win, what they get is offensive leadership that does not know how to utilize them.

For pete's sake, my middle school team could stop UT the way the playcalling has been once again today.

I just nailed my 11th consecutive play call prediction.

Now, if I can do it as a little middle school football coach, how big of a smile do you think the DC of UGA has?

Anyone that defends Sanders obviously does not know 2 cents about
the game of football!

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Its easy to defend him.

HE IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT FULMER WANTS!

If not he would have already been fired.

It has nothing to do with knowing football, its about knowing the BUSINESS of football.

He is Fulmer's hand picked man. There is a reason he was handpicked by Fulmer.

 

[ULQQKED]

OK, here's my opinion. If Sanders is doing what Fulmer wants then Fulmer is the problem and that problem won't go away because Fulmer would just hire another lackey, and in this case I wouldn't mind replacing Fulmer. If it's Sanders that's the problem then it's Fulmer's fault for standing behind him for so long. I don't think Fulmer wants a flashy OC to take attention away from him and this is why my support for Fulmer is fading fast.