who do you think shot jfk?

#27
#27
Did you find any thing relating to Curtis Lemay leading a coup d'etat?

It all goes back to Eisenhower's farewell address to the nation, President Eisenhower warned that we should beware the unchecked power of the military-industrial complex.

The removal of Kennedy (and later, of his brother on the threshold of his victory in the Presidential campaign) led to the escalation of the Vietnam war, Watergate, the 1980 "October Surprise," the Iran-Contra scandals, BCCI, the invasion of Panama, Desert Storm (1991 war on Iraq), allowing the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Oklahoma City, and 9/11.

The theory goes, if our society is going to shift course to use our resources for our survival, instead of military dominance, we will have to convert the military budget toward peaceful purposes.

Along those lines, conspiracy theories concerning the killing of JFK and the attacks on 9/11 both served objectives that the super elites deemed urgent. JFK was threatening to pull troops out of Vietnam and to dismantle the Federal Reserve Bank and to further arms-reduction treaties with the Soviet Union. He'd already yanked former Wall Street attorney Allen Dulles as Director of the CIA. He threatened financial and militarist super elites' profits and plans. So they took him out.

Nine-one-one is more complicated. Nine-one-one was planned for many years, as pages in Brzezinski's 1997 The Grand Chessboard and the 2000 Project for a New American Century study (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Zalmay Khalizad among its authors) suggest when they imagine that "a new Pearl Harbor" might be necessary to arouse public support for more military spending and U.S. wars in Central Asia and the Middle East.

 
#29
#29
Jim Garrison: I don't, I can't... I can't believe they killed him because he wanted to change things. In our time. In our country.
X: Well they've been doing it all through history. Kings are killed, Mr. Garrison, politics is power, nothing more! Oh, don't take my word for it, don't believe me. Do your own work, your own thinking.
Jim Garrison: I can't. The size of this is... beyond me. Testify?
X: Me?
Jim Garrison: Testify.
X: Ha ha. No chance in hell. No, I'd be arrested and gagged, maybe sent to an institution, maybe worse, you too. Now I can give you the background, but you have to find the foreground, the little things. Keep digging. Remember, you're the only person to bring a trial in the murder of John Kennedy. That's important, it's historic.
Jim Garrison: I haven't yet. I don't have much of a case.
X: You don't have a choice anymore. You've become a significant threat to the national security structure. They would have killed you already but you got a lot of light on you. Instead they're trying to destroy your credibility. They already have in many circles in this town. Be honest, your only chance is to come up with a case. Something, anything. Make arrests, stir the **** storm, hope to reach a point of critical mass that'll start a chain reaction of people coming forward, then the government will crack. Remember, fundamentally, people are suckers for the truth - and the truth is on your side, Bubba. I just hope you get a break.

X: The organizing principle of any society, Mr. Garrison, is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing. He refused to invade Cuba in 1962. He set out to withdraw from Vietnam. But all that ended on the 22nd of November, 1963.
 
#30
#30
The mafia theory seems most plausible to me. Oswald was a radical who seemed to have difficulty finding anyone who wanted him, so I kind of doubt any Communist/Castro connections.
 
#33
#33
Is it possible that Oswald acted alone and people just have a hard time believing such a complete loser could successfully perpetrate a crime like this?
 
#34
#34
What about the recordings of the incident? There was more than one shot.

How could an incompetent man make a shot from that kind of angle with that type of gun?

What about the police description so soon afterward?

It is a bizarre incident altogether.

It was an organized plot to kill JFK.
 
#35
#35
(OrangeEmpire @ May 19 said:
What about the recordings of the incident? There was more than one shot.

How could an incompetent man make a shot from that kind of angle with that type of gun?

What about the police description so soon afterward?

It is a bizarre incident altogether.

It was an organized plot to kill JFK.
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His military records and numerous demonstrations have shown that Oswald was perfectly capable of making the necessary shots. There may have been a conspiracy. However, the idea that Oswald couldn't have made the shot is an inaccuracy floated by those invested in the "Kennedy Conspiracy" industry.
 
#36
#36
(OrangeEmpire @ May 19 said:
Jim Garrison: I don't, I can't... I can't believe they killed him because he wanted to change things. In our time. In our country.
X: Well they've been doing it all through history. Kings are killed, Mr. Garrison, politics is power, nothing more! Oh, don't take my word for it, don't believe me. Do your own work, your own thinking.
Jim Garrison: I can't. The size of this is... beyond me. Testify?
X: Me?
Jim Garrison: Testify.
X: Ha ha. No chance in hell. No, I'd be arrested and gagged, maybe sent to an institution, maybe worse, you too. Now I can give you the background, but you have to find the foreground, the little things. Keep digging. Remember, you're the only person to bring a trial in the murder of John Kennedy. That's important, it's historic.
Jim Garrison: I haven't yet. I don't have much of a case.
X: You don't have a choice anymore. You've become a significant threat to the national security structure. They would have killed you already but you got a lot of light on you. Instead they're trying to destroy your credibility. They already have in many circles in this town. Be honest, your only chance is to come up with a case. Something, anything. Make arrests, stir the **** storm, hope to reach a point of critical mass that'll start a chain reaction of people coming forward, then the government will crack. Remember, fundamentally, people are suckers for the truth - and the truth is on your side, Bubba. I just hope you get a break.

X: The organizing principle of any society, Mr. Garrison, is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing. He refused to invade Cuba in 1962. He set out to withdraw from Vietnam. But all that ended on the 22nd of November, 1963.
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You do realize that X was a fictitious character Oliver Stone created to tie his own theories together and that no such conversation ever really took place. It is simply a dramatic tool Stone used to push his agenda.
 
#37
#37
(hatvol96 @ May 19 said:
His military records and numerous demonstrations have shown that Oswald was perfectly capable of making the necessary shots. There may have been a conspiracy. However, the idea that Oswald couldn't have made the shot is an inaccuracy floated by those invested in the "Kennedy Conspiracy" industry.
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I think the most likely scenario is that Oswald was a part of the plot but got hung out to dry by his co-conspirators.
 
#38
#38
You do realize that X was a fictitious character Oliver Stone created to tie his own theories together and that no such conversation ever really took place. It is simply a dramatic tool Stone used to push his agenda.
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Man I thought X was real, man I really I thought the JFK move was a true story?

I was responding to Tidwell suggesting vkb watch the movie. You know movie quotes.............

Oswald was the scapegoat........
 
#39
#39
(OrangeEmpire @ May 19 said:
Man I thought X was real, man I really I thought the JFK move was a true story?

I was responding to Tidwell suggesting vkb watch the movie. You know movie quotes.............

Oswald was the scapegoat........
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Empire, I was certain you knew that. My post was aimed more at the younger posters on the board, who might not be familiar with the fact that Oliver Stone openly admitted that the movie was a vehicle for his theories and not a straight historical account. As far as dialogue drom the movie, Kevin Bacon and John Candy each have a great exchange with Costner.
 
#40
#40
(GAVol @ May 19 said:
I think the most likely scenario is that Oswald was a part of the plot but got hung out to dry by his co-conspirators.
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I agree...I don't think he was the lone shooter, I believe the killing shot came from the grassy knoll, Im a dang good shot with a rifle and had it been me....thats where idve been sittin....I think he was the cover story the government wanted the American people to swallow. I think when Kennedy brought us so close to war with Russia there were some of high position, probably CIA that decided he was to dangerous and thought up a plan to take him out and make it look as if a nutball pulled the trigger. In 2029 after all who could be asked to face questions and accusations will most likey be dead...we'll know. The fact that all this info is sealed until that day screams of conspiracy guilt by the government.
 
#42
#42
Oswald was a communist, had the motive and the ability. If it was a conspiracy the 70's muckraking journalists would have exposed this at the apex of their "media revolution". It is impossible to keep a secret this big for this long.
 
#43
#43
any one who says oswald did it alone how do you explain how he got off three shots in that amount of time???

and the single bullet theory???
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#44
#44
(vols kick balls @ May 19 said:
any one who says oswald did it alone how do you explain how he got off three shots in that amount of time???

and the single bullet theory???
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Skeptics have argued that expert marksmen could not duplicate Oswald's alleged feat in their first try during reenactments by the Warren Commission (1964) and CBS (1967). In those tests the marksmen were attempting to hit the target three times within 4.5 seconds; however, the use of this time span has been heavily disputed and modern analysis of a digitally enhanced Zapruder film has suggested the first and final shots may have come as much as 8.4 seconds apart. Moreover, many of CBS's 11 volunteer marksmen, who (unlike Oswald) had no prior experience with a Mannlicher-Carcano, were able to hit the test target three times in well under the time allotted.

 
#45
#45
(vols kick balls @ May 19 said:
any one who says oswald did it alone how do you explain how he got off three shots in that amount of time???

and the single bullet theory???
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Numerous demonstrations and reenactments have proven that it is perfectly reasonable to say Oswald could get three shots off. I've seen a million arguements on each side of the "Magic Bullet" theory. It's all in one's interpretation of the entire situation. If you believe there were multiple shooters, you reject the theory. Conversely, if you believe Oswald was the lone gunman, there are a number of explanations for why the theory isn't as outlandish as it appears on the surface.
 
#46
#46
i tried to come at this with an open mind and i know that a bullet can do some wierd things when it hits human flesh. but to me it is just amazing how people can think a bullet can go up and down and zig zag like that and do that much damage and come out in near perfect condition.
 
#50
#50
and what about these three "hobos" they were arrested shortly after the shooting in the train yard behind the grassy knoll. then they were released immediatly once they reached the police stationwith no record of them ever being detained. do these men really look like hobos???
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