Who here was happier about the Bama loss than the Tennessee win?

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We all support a SEC team and whether we like it or not, the SEC is what has resulted with all the craziness with conferences being dismantled and undefeated season no longer being important in terms of a team playing for a championship. We all know what impact Bama and UGA has had on our own conference as well.

I think it is justice that Bama lost and justice that a SEC team will not play in the last championship of the 4 game CFP era. Complete justice would be for Washington, who is representing the conference that was dismantled winning the championship the last year of them being a conference.

So for me, yes a Bama loss yesterday was icing on the cake.
 
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I wish they could have both lost. Not a fan of either. I do find it comical that Hairball is viewed as a “cheater” and Saban is some kind of saint. You don’t think everyone tries to steal signals? You don’t think everybody we play has video and/or pictures of the 3 power rangers on our sideline signaling in plays? Just like baseball, you have to change the signs. Saban takes it even further. He hired a former Michigan staffer when the pairings came out a month ago. No one has a problem with that? He’s forever exploited the loophole about the number of coaches you’re allowed to have on staff. He hires every ex coach he can find especially if they came from programs he plays. Hires them as “analysts” so they don’t count as coaches. You don’t think he got plenty of intel from Butch, Dooley, ect when we played them? Come on. He’s no Saint Nick.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Any joy I might have gotten from Bama losing was tempered by Michigan winning. If anything, I hate Michigan and really all of the true top B1G teams more than Bama or UGA and as much as UF. Doesn't mean I wanted Bama to win... just that I really didn't want Michigan to win also.

The only silver lining for me is what this does to the argument particularly from BOT that you MUST have top 5 recruiting classes per the recruiting sites in order to win the NC. Michigan's composite according to 247 ranks 14th in the country... two spots ahead of UT. Washington is ranked 26th.

Both have difference makers at QB. That is a very hopeful thing IMO for Vol fans.
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100% correct. Not a Bama fan but cannot stand B1G ball or Harbaugh. I like your point on recruiting.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Like I said, not going to debate the "who deserved" point, FSU took a hit on players opting out, transferring, etc. The team that UGA played was NOT the FSU team that steam rolled LSU. UGA had its best players.
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You can't make your argument without premising it on FSU deserving to be in. Who else was more worthy? The first two out were FSU and UGA. Bama beat UGA and FSU clearly did NOT deserve to be in. So who would you have put in?
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All the opt outs and transfers are a direct result of FSU playing their hearts out to win the ACC and the championship game "AS A TEAM", only to see their dream of playing dashed by the SEC BULLY. It is justice and is it karma that Bama lost.
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Well, no. And their "great" team win in the ACC championship game came against a team that was beaten by a pretty mediocre UK team the weak before.... and stomped by USCw even without their Heisman QB. L'ville was closer to a good mid major than a good P5 team. Their dreams weren't "dashed by the SEC BULLY" whatever that's actually supposed to mean. Any rational, honest person looking at the two teams at the time the BEST 4 TEAMS IN CFB had to be chosen... would have agreed that Bama was a better team.

It isn't "justice" or karma that Bama lost. They faced a better team. I despise Michigan but they were better on both sides of the ball. Bama did well to make it an OT, one score game.
volfan102455 said:
As a result of this the ACC are reeling due to the SEC BULLY. And I am very glad the SEC BULLY lost.
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My joy at Bama losing is tempered by Michigan and Harbaugh winning. And if the ACC is "reeling" then it is because of the very valid reasons FSU was not chosen... not the fact that they weren't chosen.
volfan102455 said:
What folks don't realize is that if by chance last year (2022), the committee had to pick between Bama and Tennessee with the same record- we would have lost due to the Saban effect.
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Doubtful but it didn't come to that. Bama was a two loss team that didn't even win their division. If UT doesn't blow it against USCe (another reason to loath Harbaugh and Michigan) then they're in. For the very same reason that Bama got in... UT would have been clearly one of the best 4 teams in the country as proven on the field.

There is definitely an "SEC" effect and rightly so because of competition. Are you really going to argue that Bama would have struggled to go undefeated and set a bunch of records playing FSU's schedule? Half the ACC is made up of MAC level football teams. Would you really try to argue that FSU would have gone undefeated vs Bama's schedule?

I get the Bama hate. But what you are arguing in favor of FSU just doesn't hold together.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
In most cases, of course I'm happier about Tennessee winning. However, I'm not going to lie. I reacted much stronger to seeing Alabama lose last night than I did to Tennessee winning.
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Brave, that's dangerously close to saying that you care more about Bama (albeit in a negative way) than you do about Tennessee.

Step back from the edge of the Chasm of Hatred, friend, and focus on the good in the world. You know, the good that wears orange and white.

Go Vols!
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
A TN win is always better than anything else, but since I live in Tide Land, the Bama loss means I don't have to listen to anymore NC talk for awhile. Sweet.
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Yeah I worked out of Huntsville for 30 years before I got to move back in the shadows of Neyland. I got to experience the highs of big streak and the lows of some beatdowns. So I can truly understand your relief.
 
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sjt18 said:
You can't make your argument without premising it on FSU deserving to be in. Who else was more worthy? The first two out were FSU and UGA. Bama beat UGA and FSU clearly did NOT deserve to be in. So who would you have put in?
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My response was to answer the question of why I was glad Bama lost. I merely stated I was glad they lost due to the effect that them being selected had on FSU and the ACC. That comment has no bearing on who or who may not be the best team. It is a statement of fact that all that is happening with FSU and the uproar within the ACC is because of the committee showing precedence to Bama and the SEC. And that is why I am glad that the SEC team lost and will not be playing for a title.

The committee has always been biased. They left out a Big 12 team years ago and the reason was because the team did not win a conference championship - the Big 12 did not have a championship game so they added one to appease the committee. This has never been about the "best" teams but the "best money" teams of those which qualify. Those who think it is about the best or most deserving are fooling themselves. When a choice is to be made - money wins.

As for championships - I am a firm believer that a team should have to WIN a conference championship to qualify for the playoffs. Otherwise, there is no need for any conference to exist.
 
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volfeeva said:
Michigan Coach Hairball is about as grating as Sabin. They cancel each other out. I can dislike a team like Bama but still appreciate seeing a player like Milroe play his heart out trying to win the game for his team. I give credit to Michigan, they looked like the better team and should win the NC.
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was disappointed in his behavior at the end however. I agree the dude is a stud and balls out, but throwing your helmet, and not going to shake hands with the winners, was a bad look
 
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I was VERY happy with our WIN against Iowa. VERY happy with the whole game.
That said....I must be one of the few who always cheers for every SEC team in non-conference games, especially bowl games.
Saban is no saint, I get that and when we are playing Bama I hope we win 100-0. Michigan has been proven to be a crooked program. Harbaugh is at least as "grating" and unpleasant individual as Saban so I was REALLY hoping Bama would come out and just slap UM around like an ugly stepchild. The Michigan defense was ferocious and all through the first half I found myself wondering how much the UM cheating scheme was helping them.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Like I said, not going to debate the "who deserved" point, FSU took a hit on players opting out, transferring, etc. The team that UGA played was NOT the FSU team that steam rolled LSU. UGA had its best players.

All the opt outs and transfers are a direct result of FSU playing their hearts out to win the ACC and the championship game "AS A TEAM", only to see their dream of playing dashed by the SEC BULLY. It is justice and is it karma that Bama lost.

As a result of this the ACC are reeling due to the SEC BULLY. And I am very glad the SEC BULLY lost.

What folks don't realize is that if by chance last year (2022), the committee had to pick between Bama and Tennessee with the same record- we would have lost due to the Saban effect.
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Spot on mostly. While I don't believe in karma, what happened to Bama (I'm an SEC fan as well and not a hater) is poetic justice. I usually like to see SEC teams at the top of the heap BUT what happened to FSU (regardless if they weren't the best team by someone's opinion) is simply absurd and wrong. No amount of debating will change the core issue. So...I'm of the opinion Bama should never have been there in the first place. I don't like pulling against the SEC in those situations but this one, at least for me, was different. I know one thing...Bama's OL needs some work. Especially the way they looked in the first half. AND...no way Michigan was giving up the middle of the line on that last play. I was STUNNED Bama tried to plow into the middle...especially the way Michigan had destroyed their OL all night. As much as I dislike the West Coast in anything....I guess I'll pull for Washington...mainly because of Pennix.... JMO
 
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I’ll never be happier about any team losing over a Tenn victory.

But, I was more than thrilled to see Alabama lose. So tired of Saban whining and all of CFB bowing down to give him his way.

An FSU player tweeted it best. FSU EARNED that spot, but it was GIVEN to whiny Nicky.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Bama losing was justice for the turmoil that resulted from them being selected.

Not going to debate if the ACC champ deserved to be in - that has been debated enough. But the decision to include them effectively decimated a team (FSU) and is taking its toll on a conference (ACC). One team, actually one coach should not have that kind of power.
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This is true. Dislike UGA but they would have won. And michigan winning brought out the Pepto Bismol in this house!
 
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sjt18 said:
You can't make your argument without premising it on FSU deserving to be in. Who else was more worthy? The first two out were FSU and UGA. Bama beat UGA and FSU clearly did NOT deserve to be in. So who would you have put in?

Well, no. And their "great" team win in the ACC championship game came against a team that was beaten by a pretty mediocre UK team the weak before.... and stomped by USCw even without their Heisman QB. L'ville was closer to a good mid major than a good P5 team. Their dreams weren't "dashed by the SEC BULLY" whatever that's actually supposed to mean. Any rational, honest person looking at the two teams at the time the BEST 4 TEAMS IN CFB had to be chosen... would have agreed that Bama was a better team.

It isn't "justice" or karma that Bama lost. They faced a better team. I despise Michigan but they were better on both sides of the ball. Bama did well to make it an OT, one score game.

My joy at Bama losing is tempered by Michigan and Harbaugh winning. And if the ACC is "reeling" then it is because of the very valid reasons FSU was not chosen... not the fact that they weren't chosen.

Doubtful but it didn't come to that. Bama was a two loss team that didn't even win their division. If UT doesn't blow it against USCe (another reason to loath Harbaugh and Michigan) then they're in. For the very same reason that Bama got in... UT would have been clearly one of the best 4 teams in the country as proven on the field.

There is definitely an "SEC" effect and rightly so because of competition. Are you really going to argue that Bama would have struggled to go undefeated and set a bunch of records playing FSU's schedule? Half the ACC is made up of MAC level football teams. Would you really try to argue that FSU would have gone undefeated vs Bama's schedule?

I get the Bama hate. But what you are arguing in favor of FSU just doesn't hold together.
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Way to argue with a guy who said he did not want to debate the issue. Good strawman though
 
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FlintstoneGAVol said:
Way to argue with a guy who said he did not want to debate the issue. Good strawman though
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Yeah... except he did want to argue but just wanted to exclude facts that destroyed his argument. It would be like me claiming to be a billionaire then saying, "But you can't look at my financial holdings".

Which "strawman" are you referring to?

PS- You can't just spew non-sense onto a board like this then shut off differing opinions by declaring "I don't want to argue about this/that". When you make an argument, your premise as well as your reasoning from that premise are fair game.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
In most cases, of course I'm happier about Tennessee winning. However, I'm not going to lie. I reacted much stronger to seeing Alabama lose last night than I did to Tennessee winning.
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Turn in your Volnation membership! Shame...shame...oh my..see the partial blue font...
 
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