Who is in and what is out of playoffs?

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How Baylor wins the BIG XII:

First play from scrimmage with OU on offense, send someone through OU's O line before the ball is snapped and lay out Hurts so that he's injured and can't play. Don't worry about the 15 yard personal foul penalty. Wait...... that was 2015 and what they did to us.
 
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BUBear said:
There was one guy (and only one guy) on ESPN today that said he felt (assuming an UGa loss) that Utah would have to beat Oregon by three scores or more to keep OU or Baylor out.

I would like to but that man a beer...or twelve.
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No need to buy him some beers. Sounds like he‘s already on his way.
 
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If OU and Utah both win will be interesting. Utah is 5; OU is 6 but OU plays #7 while Utah plays #13
 
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Just like last year, this year is a great reminder of why we don’t need to expand the playoffs. The playoffs were never intended to let all conference champs have a shot. They were solely intended to avoid a situation like 2004 where you had 3 undefeated Power 5 teams and Auburn didn’t get a chance to play for the title. This year you have 3 teams that are clearly better than the rest and all 3 will get a chance to win it all. There’s a big drop off to team 4 and I, for one, don’t want to argue who gets the chance to win a national title between the likes Georgia (assuming they lose), Florida, Penn St, Auburn, the OU/Baylor loser, etc. It’s hard enough to find 4 quality teams for the playoff. 8 would greatly diminish the importance of the regular season, scheduling good out of conference games, and the conference championship games. We’ve already seen these trends with the current format. Expanding it will make it worse.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Just like last year, this year is a great reminder of why we don’t need to expand the playoffs. The playoffs were never intended to let all conference champs have a shot. They were solely intended to avoid a situation like 2004 where you had 3 undefeated Power 5 teams and Auburn didn’t get a chance to play for the title. This year you have 3 teams that are clearly better than the rest and all 3 will get a chance to win it all. There’s a big drop off to team 4 and I, for one, don’t want to argue who gets the chance to win a national title between the likes Georgia (assuming they lose), Florida, Penn St, Auburn, the OU/Baylor loser, etc. It’s hard enough to find 4 quality teams for the playoff. 8 would greatly diminish the importance of the regular season, scheduling good out of conference games, and the conference championship games. We’ve already seen these trends with the current format. Expanding it will make it worse.
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hUTch2002 said:
Do you have any discussion points?
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1. If it's 3 deserving teams and 1 non deserving team then the 1 seed gets a free ride to the champ game.
2. I disagree that the separation between #'s 1,2,3 and 4 - 8 is as great as you think. OU, UTAH, UF and even a losing GA could beat the Top 3 in a given game.
3. If we followed your lead the NCAA basketball tourney would only need 4 - 8 teams.

It's telling that FBS is the only major NCAA sport without a real tourney format. 8 is the minimum it should be regardless of whether it's P5 conf champs + 3 at large or Top 8 overall.
 
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Hope Utah puts a beating on Oregon. They've blown out most of their opponents this season, minus Washington & USC. They will be the more deserving team if they win. OU and Baylor have struggled with some pretty mediocre teams - TCU, Texas, KSU and even Tech. Would rather watch a team with an actual defense.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Hope Utah puts a beating on Oregon. They've blown out most of their opponents this season, minus Washington & USC. They will be the more deserving team if they win. OU and Baylor have struggled with some pretty mediocre teams - TCU, Texas, KSU and even Tech. Would rather watch a team with an actual defense.
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there is an argument to be made that Utah is a different style team than the other 3 likely entrants - mix it up some
 
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volinbham said:
1. If it's 3 deserving teams and 1 non deserving team then the 1 seed gets a free ride to the champ game.
2. I disagree that the separation between #'s 1,2,3 and 4 - 8 is as great as you think. OU, UTAH, UF and even a losing GA could beat the Top 3 in a given game.
3. If we followed your lead the NCAA basketball tourney would only need 4 - 8 teams.

It's telling that FBS is the only major NCAA sport without a real tourney format. 8 is the minimum it should be regardless of whether it's P5 conf champs + 3 at large or Top 8 overall.
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Of course someone like UF can beat any of the top 4 but it isn’t very likely and even less likely to win 3+ games required to win the title with 8 or more teams.

Basketball is entirely different. You have 350 teams and upsets are more likely due to the impact one player can have. You talk about college football being different as a bad thing but isn’t the fact that it is different and that the regular season means everything part of why people love college football?

However, I sort of agree with your thinking if expansion is inevitable as I believe it is. Let’s go full NCAA tournament like basketball and let 16 teams in. All 10 conference champs get auto bids and then 6 at-large.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Of course someone like UF can beat any of the top 4 but it isn’t very likely and even less likely to win 3+ games required to win the title with 8 or more teams.

Basketball is entirely different. You have 350 teams and upsets are more likely due to the impact one player can have. You talk about college football being different as a bad thing but isn’t the fact that it is different and that the regular season means everything part of why people love college football?

However, I sort of agree with your thinking if expansion is inevitable as I believe it is. Let’s go full NCAA tournament like basketball and let 16 teams in. All 10 conference champs get auto bids and then 6 at-large.
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I'm not talking about college football being different - I'm talking about one single division of college football not only being different from other college sports but every other division of college football.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Hope Utah puts a beating on Oregon (Auburn couldn't it). They've blown out most of their opponents this season, minus Washington (7-5 team)& USC (lost to 3rd string QB). They will be the more deserving team if they win. OU and Baylor have struggled with some pretty mediocre teams - TCU, Texas (scored 38 on LSU), KSU (most likely ranked in final CFP rankings after this weekend) and even Tech. Would rather watch a team with an actual defense (Baylor's defense is ranked 13th in scoring, held every opponent below their season average, tied for 1st in takeaways with 40 , DC is one of five finalists for Frank Broyles Award).
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The PAC has been rather craptastic this season. The winner of Baylor/OU will have a Top Ten win...Utah won't.

Hell, mighty UGa lost to USCe and struggled to a 19-13 home win over a crappy A&M team.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm not talking about college football being different - I'm talking about one single division of college football not only being different from other college sports but every other division of college football.
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I see. You said sport so I assumed you were referring t other sports, not different division of the same sport. I still like it where the regular season means more. The more teams get in the playoff the less important the regular season becomes. I’m not saying it isn’t important at all but with 8 teams you can lose twice and still make it.
 
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As long as LSU and Clemson stay at 2 and 3 then I’ll be happy. Got tickets to the peach bowl and that would be a great atmosphere
 
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