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BernardKingGOAT said:
So would Michael Brooks
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When they went to the 3 point in late 80s that was the 1st person I thought of because he made so many 20+ footers and I guess Mike Edwards was next one I thought of. I never saw Edwards play but just stories from my dad. Another long bomb from the Greenfield Gunner as John Ward said on the broadcast.
 
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KTrain said:
When they went to the 3 point in late 80s that was the 1st person I thought of because he made so many 20+ footers and I guess Mike Edwards was next one I thought of. I never saw Edwards play but just stories from my dad. Another long bomb from the Greenfield Gunner as John Ward said on the broadcast.
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Edwards and Robinson were my first favorite Vol basketball players as a kid. If the NCAA had been as prominent and exhaustive tournament back then, we would have been a participant every year
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Allan Houston says hi.
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Lofton made a 100 more 3s than Houston and did it at a higher percentage than Houston with the exception of his senior year when we was undergoing chemo. Even at that his career percentage was better. So im not sure how it can be argued the other way. But im willing to listen…
 
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TMvol10 said:
Lofton made a 100 more 3s than Houston and did it at a higher percentage than Houston with the exception of his senior year when we was undergoing chemo. Even at that his career percentage was better. So im not sure how it can be argued the other way. But im willing to listen…
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That's true, but Lofton had more players being utilized than just him we he played vs Houston's time while he was here. Big difference
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That's true, but Lofton had more players being utilized than just him we he played vs Houston's time while he was here. Big difference
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Virtually identical career 3-point FG percentages. 42.2% and 42.4%.

Lofton had JaJuan Smith all 4 years to keep defenses honest instead of scheming to shut him down.

Number 20 is hanging in the rafters at the TBA.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Virtually identical career 3-point FG percentages. 42.2% and 42.4%.

Lofton had JaJuan Smith all 4 years to keep defenses honest instead of scheming to shut him down.

Number 20 is hanging in the rafters at the TBA.
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Well, I was speaking of the fact we had more offensive weapons when Lofton was here. Having other guys who could score opened up the 3 more easily
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
It’s Allan Houston and it’s difficult to argue otherwise. A friend and I went to the UT/LSU game his senior year. He scored 43 with 11 assists and they couldn’t do anything to slow him down. He had such a beautiful stroke and was one of those rare players who seemed to do it effortlessly. I wish he had been surrounded by better players and coaches. He was a great player.
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TMvol10 said:
Lofton made a 100 more 3s than Houston and did it at a higher percentage than Houston with the exception of his senior year when we was undergoing chemo. Even at that his career percentage was better. So im not sure how it can be argued the other way. But im willing to listen…
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Houston: 346 for 817 (42.4%)
Lofton: 431 for 1021 (42.2%)

Houston shot from everywhere. At the rim. Long 2-pointers inside the 3PL. Baseline. Top of the key. In the paint. Fast breaks. He also had 460 assists to Lofton’s 220.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Virtually identical career 3-point FG percentages. 42.2% and 42.4%.

Lofton had JaJuan Smith all 4 years to keep defenses honest instead of scheming to shut him down.

Number 20 is hanging in the rafters at the TBA.
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Houston is top 3 greatest players in Tennessee history. I won’t argue with you on that. He did a lot on some really stinky teams and went on to have a great pro career. But I was strictly pointing to the original question that was greatest 3 point shooter. I’m not sure how you can say Houston for that category unless you weigh in a bunch of extra factors. We’ll have to agree to disagree. But what we can agree on is that Houston was incredible during his time here. And so was Lofton.
 
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TMvol10 said:
Houston is top 3 greatest players in Tennessee history. I won’t argue with you on that. He did a lot on some really stinky teams and went on to have a great pro career. But I was strictly pointing to the original question that was greatest 3 point shooter. I’m not sure how you can say Houston for that category unless you weigh in a bunch of extra factors. We’ll have to agree to disagree. But what we can agree on is that Houston was incredible during his time here. And so was Lofton.
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Houston was a better shooter than Lofton. 2s or 3s. He didn’t live at the 3PL. He didn’t have an iconic one over Durant. Lofton had range. He wasn't in the same league as far as knocking down the contested shots as Houston.
 
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If we’re just talking about making 3-point distance shots, then Edwards and Brooks were as good as Lofton was. Probably Jimmy England as well. Rodney Woods, Grunfeld, Ellis, JaJuan Smith, and Bill Justus are in the discussion as well.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Lofton was great. Houston was in the next level of greatness. Unfortunately his father was totally out of his element as a HC.
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Crum said that Wade was the best assistant he ever had, brilliant with developing guards, scouting other teams etc., but was very uncomfortable with the slippery realities of recruiting. At Louisville there was a team of boosters etc to make recruiting “easy”. Here, Dickey gave him no support. I’ve met him on many occasions. He’s a very intelligent and wise man, and a true student of the game. He just wasn’t a fit for that job for a variety of reasons.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Crum said that Wade was the best assistant he ever had, brilliant with developing guards, scouting other teams etc., but was very uncomfortable with the slippery realities of recruiting. I’ve met him on many occasions. He’s a very intelligent and wise man, and a true student of the game. He just wasn’t a fit for that job for a variety of reasons.
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I think that the biggest reason was that Dickey was paying him about $250k while his Louisville trucking business was making millions. He wasn’t dedicated to being a head coach.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Another huge mistake by Dickey before Houston had even coached his first game was when he said that Wade joining Cherokee Country Club “wasn’t an option”.
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At a Cherokee Country Club dinner, Majors told Hank Bertelkamp he was a “nutless coward” for refusing to consider Houston as a member.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I think that the biggest reason was that Dickey was paying him about $250k while his Louisville trucking business was making millions. He wasn’t dedicated to being a head coach.
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The deal was doomed from the start. They didn’t give Houston access to the resources he requested and wouldn’t pay the salaries necessary to get the assistants he wanted. I’m sure he regretted taking the job.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Another huge mistake by Dickey before Houston had even coached his first game was when he said that Wade joining Cherokee Country Club “wasn’t an option”.
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Yeah, that was good ole boy dumbass there. When Dickey did that, he didn't realize the fallout it would cause. Eventually all the coaches who were members at Cherokee had to resign and join Deane Hill. Dickey shouldn't have mentioned a thing about it. Within a year, Cherokee would have invited Houston to join
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yeah, that was good ole boy dumbass there. When Dickey did that, he didn't realize the fallout it would cause. Eventually all the coaches who were members at Cherokee had to resign and join Deane Hill. Dickey shouldn't have mentioned a thing about it. Within a year, Cherokee would have invited Houston to join
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Fox Den stepped up really quickly inviting Wade to join their club.

Just another example of Dickey wrecking our basketball program. The 20 year long dumpster fire of being irrelevant was under his watch. While the NCAAT became a huge event.

DAD is a POS. He sold Shaklee nutritional supplements back to the athletic department that he was running. He knew it was wrong so he arranged for the transactions to be laundered through Jack “the fax” Sells (IIRC) to avoid the conflict of interest.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That's true, but Lofton had more players being utilized than just him we he played vs Houston's time while he was here. Big difference
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JuJuan Smith played right along side Chris and got 253 himself ( 4th in history). More 3's were taken then than in the time of Houston.
Had Houston played on those same teams as Lofton and Smith, he would have had a lot more.
Houston was busy also knocking down 2's and pretty much carrying his teams offensively.
 
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