Who won ?

#34
#34
onevolfan said:
Who won? Obama

Who is going to win? Obama :)
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Agreed.

McCain wants Palin to do his dirty work but he doesn't feel comfortable going there. He will not get the game changer by scoring ties in these debates and he is running out of time.
 
#35
#35
onevolfan said:
Who won? Obama

Who is going to win? Obama :)
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I think the debate was a draw as far as the issues discussed go.

I hate it but it does appear Obama will be our dictator...er, I mean president.:p
 
#38
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KB5252 said:
I think the debate was a draw as far as the issues discussed go.

I hate it but it does appear Obama will be our dictator...er, I mean president.:p
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nothing is a draw at this point. McCain has a job to do in proving Obama is the least credentialed candidate in almost forever and he failed miserably at that task.

He should interrupt Obama at almost every utterance about leadership, economy, taxes, foreign relations and tell him to prove it.
 
#39
#39
onevolfan said:
Who won? Obama

Who is going to win? Obama :)
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i'd like to see how much you'll be smiling once he gets comfy in the white house. when your taxes go up, you'll say "i thought 95% were getting tax breaks". oh but he's got a lot of spending to do. sad
 
#40
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BigPapaVol said:
nothing is a draw at this point. McCain has a job to do in proving Obama is the least credentialed candidate in almost forever and he failed miserably at that task.

He should interrupt Obama at almost every utterance about leadership, economy, taxes, foreign relations and tell him to prove it.
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I mentioned this in another thread already and you are correct. The window to do this effectively has closed, he has one more shot but even if he does calls Obama out effectively it will be too little too late IMO. It should have been done last night but wasn't and I see no reason to believe he will. Bottom line is he has lost this election by not distinguishing himself effectively.
 
#41
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Vol Mania 21 said:
you'll say "i thought 95% were getting tax breaks".
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it's coming in a big way. He's going to say there were several things that changed and some things he couldn't have foreseen and some things he didn't understand on the path from here to there, but it's definitely coming.

Clinton did it masterfully with his UHC garbage and the press gave him a pass for it. Obama is going to get the same treatment.
 
#42
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Vol Mania 21 said:
i'd like to see how much you'll be smiling once he gets comfy in the white house. when your taxes go up, you'll say "i thought 95% were getting tax breaks". oh but he's got a lot of spending to do. sad
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You do understand that McCain is proposing as much if not more government spending, right? And now with his newly unveiled plan of government buying up bad mortgages he's writing another trillion dollar check. His numbers aren't adding up and he's not giving any indication where his war chest and expanded government will be bankrolled.
 
#43
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UT IE 95 said:
You do understand that McCain is proposing as much if not more government spending, right? And now with his newly unveiled plan of government buying up bad mortgages he's writing another trillion dollar check. His numbers aren't adding up and he's not giving any indication where his war chest and expanded government will be bankrolled.
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Obama's numbers don't add up either, whats the point?
If you think Obama will spend any less you are mistaken.
 
#44
#44
KB5252 said:
Obama's numbers don't add up either, whats the point?
If you think Obama will spend any less you are mistaken.
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No, I think they are both hamstrung by the previous eight years and the only option is to raise taxes by either party. They are just spinning it differently. To favor one candidate based on taxes is not really understanding the issues.

Fundamentally it comes down to your belief on our role in being the world police and the difference in their strategies on that.
 
#45
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Vol Mania 21 said:
i'd like to see how much you'll be smiling once he gets comfy in the white house. when your taxes go up, you'll say "i thought 95% were getting tax breaks". oh but he's got a lot of spending to do. sad
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what's really scary obama's tax policy is that he wants to directly tax the stock market. i was listening to a financial analyst. he said that the financial sector is giving obama a 70% chance of being elected and based on that people are getting out of the market due to the fact that he is going to them directly. the financial analyst said that if he tries to tax the stock market directly then it was kill any future investments.
 
#46
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UT IE 95 said:
No, I think they are both hamstrung by the previous eight years and the only option is to raise taxes by either party. They are just spinning it differently. To favor one candidate based on taxes is not really understanding the issues.

Fundamentally it comes down to your belief on our role in being the world police and the difference in their strategies on that.
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If you believe Obama is not just giving lip service on this issue then you are extremely gullible. Just look at his short history in dealing with the issue of Iraq and it will be absolutely clear that he will tell his base what they want to hear at the time and revise that plan later. He will not pull out of Iraq before the military commanders on the ground, along with the Iraqis tell him he needs to. A loss in Iraq after Bush's turn around there will be seen as a failure on his part.
 
#47
#47
UT IE 95 said:
No, I think they are both hamstrung by the previous eight years and the only option is to raise taxes by either party. They are just spinning it differently. To favor one candidate based on taxes is not really understanding the issues.

Fundamentally it comes down to your belief on our role in being the world police and the difference in their strategies on that.
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raising taxes with this economy is the craziest idea out there. Even Obama of Swedish style thinking has somehow grasped that.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
i'd like to see how much you'll be smiling once he gets comfy in the white house. when your taxes go up, you'll say "i thought 95% were getting tax breaks". oh but he's got a lot of spending to do. sad
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Not to mention the fact that he plans on putting troops in pakistan, in addition to a troop surge in Afghanistan, while giving everyone free healthcare, and all the entitlement programs get a fat budget too. And we are supposed to pay for this with a tax increase on 5% of americans... yea right
 
#50
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KB5252 said:
If you believe Obama is not just giving lip service on this issue then you are extremely gullible. Just look at his short history in dealing with the issue of Iraq and it will be absolutely clear that he will tell his base what they want to hear at the time and revise that plan later. He will not pull out of Iraq before the military commanders on the ground, along with the Iraqis tell him he needs to. A loss in Iraq after Bush's turn around there will be seen as a failure on his part.
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No doubt there is a lot of lip service from them both. But they have fundamental differences in their approach to regaining our footing in world relations. It boils down to keeping the same strategy or trying something different.

Ultimately both candidates agree that foreign policies are a big component of national prosperity. Fix our relationships with the world and our economy benefits at the end of the day.
 
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