Who's laughing now? Noel Devine

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Lexvol said:
That used to be my thought as well. If that were the case, surely teams could have figured a way to stop two elite players by now. It is more than just two players. It is talent+skill+continuous execution.
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a good discplined team would beat wvu easily imo. they rarely play good defenses. I know they have won some bcs games. the problem is you had to load the line and both guys take so much attention that any play run to another player had a very good chance of success. the scheme is perfect for those two guys. IMO it doesn't work nearly as well without an elite rb and a very fast running qb.
 
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droski said:
a good discplined team would beat wvu easily imo. they rarely play good defenses. I know they have won some bcs games. the problem is you had to load the line and both guys take so much attention that any play run to another player had a very good chance of success. the scheme is perfect for those two guys. IMO it doesn't work nearly as well without an elite rb and a very fast running qb.
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Oski, I understand the argument. In fact, I have made the same arguments. I just think if it was that easy to stop that any opponent would have been doing it consistently. Maryland, an ACC team with a decent coach should have certainly had an answer.
 
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Lexvol said:
Oski, I understand the argument. In fact, I have made the same arguments. I just think if it was that easy to stop that any opponent would have been doing it consistently. Maryland, an ACC team with a decent coach should have certainly had an answer.
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it's obviously not easy. my argument is that i'm not sure it's RR, it's more white and slaton. I think they revert back the 7-5 after they leave.
 
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droski said:
it's obviously not easy. my argument is that i'm not sure it's RR, it's more white and slaton. I think they revert back the 7-5 after they leave.
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Understood, and if they were throwing the ball and winning like they are I would have more of a tedency to agree. Watching the game ( I also dvr'd to watch again for this reason) I was blown away by the blocking scheme and effort of the WVA offensive line.

I don't think RR is the best coach in the country, and I do agree that the Big East is lacking talent found in more notable conference, but with this consistency he is cementing a top ten mention for himself.
 
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I'm with Droski on this one. RR is a fine coach, but I believe it is the talent of White, Slaton and now Devine carrying this team. I still have a hard time believing the perceived depth of the Big East isn't all smoke and mirrors.
 
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milohimself said:
I'm with Droski on this one. RR is a fine coach, but I believe it is the talent of White, Slaton and now Devine carrying this team. I still have a hard time believing the perceived depth of the Big East isn't all smoke and mirrors.
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Only time will tell.
 
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I dunno... IMO this whole "rise to power" for the Big East is predicated off of West Virginia's '05 Sugar Bowl win over Georgia, and ESPN college football analysts applying the transitive theory to the conference.

The other big game worth noting would be last week's South Florida-Auburn game... As big a win as that was for USF, I believe it's more indicative of Auburn's shortcomings than anything else.

Other than that, nobody from the Big East has really played or won any actual big-time games.
 
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milohimself said:
I dunno... IMO this whole "rise to power" for the Big East is predicated off of West Virginia's '05 Sugar Bowl win over Georgia, and ESPN college football analysts applying the transitive theory to the conference.

The other big game worth noting would be last week's South Florida-Auburn game... As big a win as that was for USF, I believe it's more indicative of Auburn's shortcomings than anything else.

Other than that, nobody from the Big East has really played or won any actual big-time games.
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I am no big east apologist. However, Louisville they have somewhat of a track record for beating up on the ACC. For what it is worth U of L has consistently beaten KY, and have also recently beaten Miami and Florida state.

They are not world beaters, but my entire point in this thread has been as one dimensional as WVA's offense has been, I am amazed that no one (including Ga) has really stopped them yet. To me, for every win they rack up, that fact becomes more impressive.
 
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droski said:
he's got two elite players. neither were big recruits and it could be argued he lucked into both. devine is his only real recruiting victory and most thought he had no chance to qualify (a lot of schools didn't bother recruiting him). they have some speed at wr and fb, but i'd argue they have very few players that would start for the vols or cal.
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Pat White had offers from several big time SEC schools.
 
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Not entirely true... In '05, VaTech held West Virginia to 253 yards, and won 34-17. WVU's offense looked fairly unimpressive in last year's 24-19 loss to USF.
 
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milohimself said:
Not entirely true... In '05, VaTech held West Virginia to 253 yards, and won 34-17. WVU's offense looked fairly unimpressive in last year's 24-19 loss to USF.
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..but more true than false. I don't think Va Tech could beat West Va this year based on what I have seen. USF has beaten/surprised both WVA and Louisville. They have some athletes.
 
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Lexvol said:
I am no big east apologist. However, Louisville they have somewhat of a track record for beating up on the ACC. For what it is worth U of L has consistently beaten KY, and have also recently beaten Miami and Florida state.

They are not world beaters, but my entire point in this thread has been as one dimensional as WVA's offense has been, I am amazed that no one (including Ga) has really stopped them yet. To me, for every win they rack up, that fact becomes more impressive.
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Come on Lex, the Big East actually has worse defenses overall than even the Pac 10. Rutgers is the only squad that plays anything resembling defense. Louisville had an impressive showing last week in holding the mighty MTSU Raiders under 50.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Come on Lex, the Big East actually has worse defenses overall than even the Pac 10. Rutgers is the only squad that plays anything resembling defense. Louisville had an impressive showing last week in holding the mighty MTSU Raiders under 50.
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Louisville's defense was much better last year. In fact, I would not be surprised if UK sneaks up on them tomorrow.

Big East defense or not, I can tell you that WVA has shredded other defenses as well, and the kicker for me is that everybody knows what they are going to do. Their execution is impeccable, and I give RR a lot of credit for that.

Again, I should mention my opinions are much more about RR than they are the big east.
 
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Lexvol said:
Louisville's defense was much better last year. In fact, I would not be surprised if UK sneaks up on them tomorrow.

Big East defense or not, I can tell you that WVA has shredded other defenses as well, and the kicker for me is that everybody knows what they are going to do. Their execution is impeccable, and I give RR a lot of credit for that.

Again, I should mention my opinions are much more about RR than they are the big east.
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execution is some of it, but speed makes up for a lot of their errors in execution
 
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The Mountaineers have played some pretty good games against Miami during Rodriguez's time in Morgantown. It's pretty rare the Canes field a weak defense.
 
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allvol123 said:
Is that an out? You blamed the poor defense on lack of great athletes. He can recruit great offensive athletes to Morgantown but not great defensive ones?
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They had a decent defense when Adam Jones played in Morgantown. Give RR some time. He'll get more athletes on that side of the ball as well.
 
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