Why are people mad at Heupel?

#51
#51
He’s Dan Mullen, minus the SEC east title and win over Georgia.

Mullen at UF - 35-15
Heupel at UT - 37-15

And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I think they’re both very good coaches.
 
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TN Volunteers. said:
I have seen many people getting upset at Heupel for not firing his staff, but he has not had to. The defense has improved, so he has not had to fire anyone on that side of the ball. On the offensive side, we have regressed, but we had a QB last year that could not hit a mid-range ball and a Qb this year in his first year of playing and he rarely hit deep balls. This severely limits offensive playcalling and gives defensive an advantage because they do not have to worry about the deep ball, etc. Also, I am just going to say Heupel's achievements so far again.

Came into a 3-7 team with the entire team transferred out and scholarship limitations (that we still have)
Only UT coach to beat Saban and ended the 15-year streak against the former Heisman-winning QB.
Ended the streak vs Florida
Undefeated vs Florida and Bama at home
Two #1 rated Qb out of highschool in the last 3 classes.
Has had two top ten recruiting classes which is the best sense 2014 and 2015.
First TN coach to make playoffs
One loss at home in last 3 years.

I know we got blown out by OSU and are losing players in the transfer portal. But, I trust Heupel running the program
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We have some people that call themselves fans that have absolutely ZERO understanding of how things work. WE MADE THE PLAYOFFS, and you would think we were the worst team in college football based on the comments of a few foolish persons.
 
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TN Volunteers. said:
I have seen many people getting upset at Heupel for not firing his staff, but he has not had to. The defense has improved, so he has not had to fire anyone on that side of the ball. On the offensive side, we have regressed, but we had a QB last year that could not hit a mid-range ball and a Qb this year in his first year of playing and he rarely hit deep balls. This severely limits offensive playcalling and gives defensive an advantage because they do not have to worry about the deep ball, etc. Also, I am just going to say Heupel's achievements so far again.

Came into a 3-7 team with the entire team transferred out and scholarship limitations (that we still have)
Only UT coach to beat Saban and ended the 15-year streak against the former Heisman-winning QB.
Ended the streak vs Florida
Undefeated vs Florida and Bama at home
Two #1 rated Qb out of highschool in the last 3 classes.
Has had two top ten recruiting classes which is the best sense 2014 and 2015.
First TN coach to make playoffs
One loss at home in last 3 years.

I know we got blown out by OSU and are losing players in the transfer portal. But, I trust Heupel running the program
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They want Pruitt back.
 
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Jaws said:
He’s Dan Mullen, minus the SEC east title and win over Georgia.

Mullen at UF - 35-15
Heupel at UT - 37-15

And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I think they’re both very good coaches.
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He's much better given the starting point for both. UF was not even close to the dumpster fire Heupel has had to deal with
 
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Jaws said:
He’s Dan Mullen, minus the SEC east title and win over Georgia.

Mullen at UF - 35-15
Heupel at UT - 37-15

And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I think they’re both very good coaches.
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I really hope Heupel goes the opposite way of Mullen though. Mullen seemed to no longer care after he didn't get the NFL job he wanted and recruiting tanked. He is a good coach though and I am interested to see how it goes at UNLV.
 
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People are mad because they forgot their promises from 5yrs ago that they'd never take a 10 win season for granted again. Heupel has reset their expectations while giving them amnesia about just how bad it was when he took over. This program has taken more positive steps forward in the past 4yrs than any other in the country. Learn to enjoy it
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
Honestly, I think people are afraid we have hit our ceiling with this staff. I'm not at that point yet, but I can see where people may have that concern. I will say the number of transfers going out vs. coming in has me a bit concerned.
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Most of those people don't really know. It might turn out that way, but it's far too early to say either way. We're going in the right direction and that's not necessarily good enough for the low info, armchair crowd
 
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Heupel has done an admirable job given the challenges facing the program he inherited. The frustration comes in because we all know that the conference is down to a much more level playing field but for how long? How much longer will Alabama, Florida, LSU and Auburn be down? Historically speaking, these programs go through a lull but eventually cycle back to prominence.

The OSU beatdown should have been an eye opening opportunity. My hope was that Heupel and Danny White would have seen what it will take to be elite and win a championship and make the changes to the organization that needed to happen.

The response shows they were just happy to get to the playoffs….
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
Honestly, I think people are afraid we have hit our ceiling with this staff. I'm not at that point yet, but I can see where people may have that concern. I will say the number of transfers going out vs. coming in has me a bit concerned.
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This right here. We are a night and day different program than we were 4 seasons ago, but to not want to improve in areas we are lacking just seems ignorant. Every single fan we’ve ever had has said, at one point or another, that Willie Martinez needs to go. During both stints here, our dbs have been some of the worst in college football. Something is clearly going on there and to not want to do anything about it blows my mind.
 
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Jaws said:
He’s Dan Mullen, minus the SEC east title and win over Georgia.

Mullen at UF - 35-15
Heupel at UT - 37-15

And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I think they’re both very good coaches.
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Hoping Heupel's recruiting ability will be the difference here.
 
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JohnnyD123 said:
This right here. We are a night and day different program than we were 4 seasons ago, but to not want to improve in areas we are lacking just seems ignorant. Every single fan we’ve ever had has said, at one point or another, that Willie Martinez needs to go. During both stints here, our dbs have been some of the worst in college football. Something is clearly going on there and to not want to do anything about it blows my mind.
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So we fielded one of the best defenses in college football this season with some of the worst db's in college football? One was so bad he made second team AA? Seems legit
 
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People are mad at Heupel because he has been the first guy here in 15 to 20 years to truly reset the expectation of Tennessee football.

Fulmer started out with an expectation and lived up to it for the most part, until things fell off and he could no longer maintain that expectation.
Kiffin...well that's an outlier in this situation - not sure if he ever had an expectation or expressed an expectation.
The next three circus freaks (Dooley, Jones, Pruitt) all expressed an expectation to get Tennessee "back to winning", but never produced.
Things got so bad that we, the fans, atrophied and lowered OUR expectations to .500 football.

Along come CJH and he expressed an expectation to win and immediately delivered, so the FAN'S expectation immediately went to Championship winning football.
Given the starting point, that FAN expectation is probably not realistic.
Coach Heupel's expectation of being competitive and in the race for championships is real and is where the program is at currently.

So, yeah people are mad at Heupel because he isn't living up to THEIR new found, somewhat unrealistic expectation.

That said, I'm not saying we throw the FAN expectation out the window...that should be the ultimate expectation - to win a National Title.
We do need to temper that expectation for now and enjoy what's been given to us and let this play out another year or two.
If in two years we are still sitting here with a team that reaches the CFP, wins 10 games a year, but doesn't advance...then we need to have a conversation.
 
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ShelbourneVol said:
Dave Hooker and Caleb Calhoun seem to be doing a good job of fanning negative Josh Heupel flames. Some of their recent articles have been very negative, poorly written, out of context, downright hatchet jobs.
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I submitted a comment on their site about their doom and gloom articles this AM and they would not post it.
 
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People forget that that we have reduced scholarships through 2028 because of that idiot bammer that was hired. While yes it is only 2-3 yearly that plays a huge part in recruiting when it comes to trench players. The early success was a double edged sword. It 100% helped overall in being able to recruit top level talent again. Although it also set somewhat unrealistic fan expectations on what was is considered an accomplishment.

Now I will say that I think there is some definite work in the WR room that has to happen this coming season. It is somewhat baffling to me how soft that group played this past season overall.
 
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#71
People are mad at Heupel? I didn't realize that but seeing some of the responses, I can kind of see why.

I think people are asking questions about the team but I don't see a lot of anger.

After more thought as off season is progressing, I am fine if Heupel wants to keep the full staff "as is". I do think it would be nice to exploring hiring a more experienced offensive coordinator and having play duties run through him to change things up but I am not going to get all angry if we don't.
 
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Golfprovol said:
So we break the school single season rushing record, but the OL coach was an issue......sounds very volnationish
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Rushing record isn't the only story, I felt like the Offensive Line improved a lot as season went on (although they really sucked it up against Ohio State). The penalties were cut down and the line held up better. Line was great when we called rushing plays but did struggle at pass blocking.
 
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utvolpj said:
So we fielded one of the best defenses in college football this season with some of the worst db's in college football? One was so bad he made second team AA? Seems legit
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McCoy is an incredible player. He came from another program who clearly coached him up. To think WM had anything to do with his development is crazy. No one has wanted him as a coach the entire time he’s been here. Both times. Georgia was laughing at us when we hired him cause they hated him too. He cannot recruit, can’t develop, dbs always out of position, can’t tackle. I don’t know what y’all aren’t seeing.
 
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JohnnyD123 said:
McCoy is an incredible player. He came from another program who clearly coached him up. To think WM had anything to do with his development is crazy. No one has wanted him as a coach the entire time he’s been here. Both times. Georgia was laughing at us when we hired him cause they hated him too. He cannot recruit, can’t develop, dbs always out of position, can’t tackle. I don’t know what y’all aren’t seeing.
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Players portal out of UT then succeed and is always "he finally got decent coaching." Portal into UT and succeed and it's "he was clearly coached up before he got here."

Yall are funny
 
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RockyTopTexas said:
WE HAVE ZERO DEPTH ! WE DONT ACTUALLY COMPETE
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If you make it to the playoff, you completed. We have depth. Just not elite depth. As in " we don't have 4 star recruits 3 men deep at every position". There's about 4 teams in the country that have that. They also have a NIL budget north of $20m. We are working with $15m+/-. Pass the hat........
 
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