Why are UT fans down on Steve Forbes???

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I've read here and elsewhere where UT fans are complaining for some reason about Steve Forbes.

I know Steve and know a lot of coaches who have worked with him......they all think he's a fantastic coach.... why do you guys not like him, or am I hearing the vocal minority?

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I think people want to heap our defensive woes on him so they don't have to point fingers at the style of our head coach.


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Marc Maggard said:
I've read here and elsewhere where UT fans are complaining for some reason about Steve Forbes.

I know Steve and know a lot of coaches who have worked with him......they all think he's a fantastic coach.... why do you guys not like him, or am I hearing the vocal minority?

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Well our defense hasn't done crap since he has been here. But Kentucky's defense seems to be in great shape since CBG moved there even without Forbes.

Bruce isn't good in the half court - and Forbes was supposed to help there - but really hasn't - I don't know if that's his fault or not... our defense obviously will never be very good statistically running up and down the court like we try to do - but it has been pathetic.
 
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Marc Maggard said:
I've read here and elsewhere where UT fans are complaining for some reason about Steve Forbes.

I know Steve and know a lot of coaches who have worked with him......they all think he's a fantastic coach.... why do you guys not like him, or am I hearing the vocal minority?

mm
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Forbes came in heralded as the panacea for UT's halfcourt defensive woes. They've shown zero progress in that area. That's the source of the discontent.
 
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Guys,

The only way to get a team to play D is to sit them when they won't......

UK fans were complaining LOUD as hell early in the season when some players were sitting even though they were more talented....... Now, those seated players are busting ass for UK on D.

Forbes can teach INCREDIBLE D, but Pearl is the one who controls how hard they play it by demanding they play it.

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Marc Maggard said:
Guys,

The only way to get a team to play D is to sit them when they won't......

UK fans were complaining LOUD as hell early in the season when some players were sitting even though they were more talented....... Now, those seated players are busting ass for UK on D.

Forbes can teach INCREDIBLE D, but Pearl is the one who controls how hard they play it by demanding they play it.

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Then why hasn't Billy Gillespie missed a beat since losing Forbes?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Then why hasn't Billy Gillespie missed a beat since losing Forbes?
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because D is much more about heart and effort than it is education. BCG has made the heart / effort point from day 1. His players know full well that they earn PT on the defensive end. You can live without a defense guru. You can't live without defensive effort.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Then why hasn't Billy Gillespie missed a beat since losing Forbes?
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I suppose you missed the point of my post.....

BCG demands that players play D.... if they don't, they sit immediately.

If Bruce Pearl sat players for not playing D, Forbes would have the backing needed to make them execute.

Till then, you will continue to see poor D.

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Marc Maggard said:
I suppose you missed the point of my post.....

BCG demands that players play D.... if they don't, they sit immediately.

If Bruce Pearl sat players for not playing D, Forbes would have the backing needed to make them execute.

Till then, you will continue to see poor D.

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Exactly what a number of us have been saying for some time.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
because D is much more about heart and effort than it is education. BCG has made the heart / effort point from day 1. His players know full well that they earn PT on the defensive end. You can live without a defense guru. You can't live without defensive effort.
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BCG IS the defensive guru.... He lives and breathes hard and physical defense..... Forbes may be a great defensive coach, but BCG is the one who teaches the defense at UK and demands players execute.

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Marc Maggard said:
I suppose you missed the point of my post.....

BCG demands that players play D.... if they don't, they sit immediately.

If Bruce Pearl sat players for not playing D, Forbes would have the backing needed to make them execute.

Till then, you will continue to see poor D.

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Who are we supposed to play? Tanner Wild and co.?

If Hopson plays crappy D who do we bring in? Cameron Tatum? Lol.

How about if JP Prince play bad D? Woolridge? Wow - what an improvement on the defensive end.

Its the whole team save maybe 1 or 2 guys. Its not like its just 3-4 guys that have been playing pathetic defense through out the year. I'm sure Bruce would sit these guys if there were anyone else to go to. I'm sure it's his fault - but there is no quick fix possible at this point... it starts in the off-season.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Who are we supposed to play? Tanner Wild and co.?

If Hopson plays crappy D who do we bring in? Cameron Tatum? Lol.

How about if JP Prince play bad D? Woolridge? Wow - what an improvement on the defensive end.

Its the whole team save maybe 1 or 2 guys. Its not like its just 3-4 guys that have been playing pathetic defense through out the year. I'm sure Bruce would sit these guys if there were anyone else to go to. I'm sure it's his fault - but there is no quick fix possible at this point... it starts in the off-season.
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BCG started a WALK ON last year when nodoby would play D..... this year, he has started Landon Sloane, another Walk On to prove that the one who works hardest on D wins.

SO yeah, you pull a kid off the END of the bench and play him.....

First, you have to have a culture of defense in practice....then you back that up with playing time. When the better players start to realize what defensive intensity really is, they may surprise you with how good they can play it. There is no reason for UT to be as bad as they have been defensively. The ability is there.....

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Marc Maggard said:
BCG started a WALK ON last year when nodoby would play D..... this year, he has started Landon Sloane, another Walk On to prove that the one who works hardest on D wins.

SO yeah, you pull a kid off the END of the bench and play him.....

First, you have to have a culture of defense in practice....then you back that up with playing time.

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Our defensive problems are far worse than Kentucky's were this year or last year so he could get away with that better than this years UT squad can. And its too late for that crap - its conference play and this team is a bubble team. Tanner Wild isn't going to cut it.
 
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I would rather watch the walkons out there trying as hard as they can on defense, and getting beat badly, as watching the laziness that goes on out there right now. And to top it off, they get beat too.

If you are going to lose, you might as well try to use it to teach your team what they need to do to win.

I am not advocating that you need to lose to teach players what they should do, but sometimes a possible loss based on playing someone that is not as "athletically gifted," but plays the way they should play, while the star sits on the bench, can lead to future benefits.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Our defensive problems are far worse than Kentucky's were this year or last year so he could get away with that better than this years UT squad can. And its too late for that crap - its conference play and this team is a bubble team. Tanner Wild isn't going to cut it.
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By the time SEC play starts, UK was good defensively..... but at the beginning of the past two years, that was NOT the case..... so you are not really correct.....

HOwever, BCG has always set the tone defensively, which is what Pearl has not done.

Had Pearl started out practice this year focusing on defense, UT wouldn't be as bad as they are.

It has very little to do with talent and everything to do with effort for UT defensively. Until the effort is required, UT won't be a very good defensive team.

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Marc Maggard said:
By the time SEC play starts, UK was good defensively..... but at the beginning of the past two years, that was NOT the case..... so you are not really correct.....

HOwever, BCG has always set the tone defensively, which is what Pearl has not done.

Had Pearl started out practice this year focusing on defense, UT wouldn't be as bad as they are.

It has very little to do with talent and everything to do with effort for UT defensively. Until the effort is required, UT won't be a very good defensive team.

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I know. That's why I said its too late since conference play has started. You weren't going to see those players in conference games for Kentucky. But I think Kentucky was still better than us defensively at the beginning in OOC play. Kentucky wasn't making the retarded plays like we are defensively. I've really never seen so many people get wide open layups, 3 pointers, and uncontested dunks. Kansas registered, I think, 21 dunks on us. That's ridiculous.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Because BCG is one of the best coaches in the country.
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As a guy who puts such emphasis on championsips, I would have thought Billy G. would need to win someting more impressive than the WAC to earn that label from you.
 
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cotton said:
As a guy who puts such emphasis on championsips, I would have thought Billy G. would need to win someting more impressive than the WAC to earn that label from you.
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How about coach of the year in his conference 3 out of 4 years.... (Big 12 and SEC)

He's a pretty good coach.....

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Bassmanbruno said:
I know. That's why I said its too late since conference play has started. You weren't going to see those players in conference games for Kentucky. But I think Kentucky was still better than us defensively at the beginning in OOC play. Kentucky wasn't making the retarded plays like we are defensively. I've really never seen so many people get wide open layups, 3 pointers, and uncontested dunks. Kansas registered, I think, 21 dunks on us. That's ridiculous.
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And the reason why UK was better from the the start (not that I agree) was because the REQUIREMENT for effort is there from the first day of practice..... players know that if they don't D up, they sit down.

Until Pearl decides to stress it and have consequences, UT will continue to have bad defense.

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Marc Maggard said:
And the reason why UK was better from the the start (not that I agree) was because the REQUIREMENT for effort is there from the first day of practice..... players know that if they don't D up, they sit down.

Until Pearl decides to stress it and have consequences, UT will continue to have bad defense.

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Not disagreeing there. He has done great things for our program but has quite a few flaws.
 
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cotton said:
As a guy who puts such emphasis on championsips, I would have thought Billy G. would need to win someting more impressive than the WAC to earn that label from you.
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It's about context. Look where UTEP and A&M were when he got there in comparison to their standing when he left. Also, there's a pretty good chance he'll be adding some hardware to UK's trophy case in two months.
 
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