why are we drilling so deep anyways

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if we didn't have to drill so deep or could drill on land, this oil spill would have been contained already.

a large of the blame should be on the government and environmental whackos.
 
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joevol320 said:
if we didn't have to drill so deep or could drill on land, this oil spill would have been contained already.

a large of the blame should be on the government and environmental whackos.
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what? how so? if you have your government making them drill so deep in the ocean it would make it much tougher to fix any problems. so you think if this spill was on land it would still be going? nope it would have been capped already.
 
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You can blame the government for not requiring the use of an acoustic trigger or TransOcean/BP for not spending the money to buy (~$500k) and install it.

Blaming "environmental whackos"? Please. If there is oil of our coast and if we need oil to run our economy (no debate at this point) than yes, we should drill. As I believe it was a bi-partisan decision to have them placed out so far so as to not impact near coastal economies.
 
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DC Vol said:
You can blame the government for not requiring the use of an acoustic trigger or TransOcean/BP for not spending the money to buy (~$500k) and install it.

Blaming "environmental whackos"? Please. If there is oil of our coast and if we need oil to run our economy (no debate at this point) than yes, we should drill. As I believe it was a bi-partisan decision to have them placed out so far so as to not impact near coastal economies.
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the environmental whackos did push for this kind of regulation. yes, they are partly responsible, they push the whacko libs officials to vote for these regulations
 
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I just think that any attempt to "blame" anyone other than BP and/or the companies who were responsible for using the mandatory safeguards and standard of care for the industriy, which they did not do and on purpose did not do, sounds like you are deflecting attention from the real culprits.

If you want to blame the government at all, blame the culture of corruption surrounding the MMC. Otherwise, don't let BP off the hook on some lame theory that had they been allowed to drill somewhere else it wouldn't have happened.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I just think that any attempt to "blame" anyone other than BP and/or the companies who were responsible for using the mandatory safeguards and standard of care for the industriy, which they did not do and on purpose did not do, sounds like you are deflecting attention from the real culprits.

If you want to blame the government at all, blame the culture of corruption surrounding the MMC. Otherwise, don't let BP off the hook on some lame theory that had they been allowed to drill somewhere else it wouldn't have happened.
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I blame BP for being the cause of the disaster but it is valid and warranted (IMO) to blame government for a very poorly handled response.
 
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joevol320 said:
the environmental whackos did push for this kind of regulation. yes, they are partly responsible, they push the whacko libs officials to vote for these regulations
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And yet, if this regulation passed... BP/TransOcean would have had to pay money to install this and saved... how much money?

Thankfully "non-wacko" folks in Congress have a liability cap of $75,000,000. I'm not an "environmental wacko" but I'd say that potentially ruining an entire ecosystem is pretty damnable. Not to mention this is going to do a lot to hamper Gulf economies which can't really be quantified black & white on a sheet of paper.

How much do you think this will affect people's vacation trips to coastal Mississippi, Alabama and Florida... not to mention a direct effect on the restaurants that used local Gulf fisheries for their supplies.
 
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KB5252 said:
I blame BP for being the cause of the disaster but it is valid and warranted (IMO) to blame government for a very poorly handled response.
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Not to mention the revolving door between MMS and the oil industry.
 
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DC Vol said:
You can blame the government for not requiring the use of an acoustic trigger or TransOcean/BP for not spending the money to buy (~$500k) and install it..
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a device which has never even been tested and therefore we have no idea if it would have stopped the flow.
 
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DC Vol said:
And yet, if this regulation passed... BP/TransOcean would have had to pay money to install this and saved... how much money?

Thankfully "non-wacko" folks in Congress have a liability cap of $75,000,000. I'm not an "environmental wacko" but I'd say that potentially ruining an entire ecosystem is pretty damnable. Not to mention this is going to do a lot to hamper Gulf economies which can't really be quantified black & white on a sheet of paper.

How much do you think this will affect people's vacation trips to coastal Mississippi, Alabama and Florida... not to mention a direct effect on the restaurants that used local Gulf fisheries for their supplies.
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it's not going to rune the ecosystem, in short term there will be some serious damage but long term the earth will recover from this. the earth has recovered from many natural and unnatural disasters from the past. i bet you there are more man made disasters that are worse than this but we've never heard about.
 
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This goes both ways. By forcing the companies to drill in deep water, you have problems like this in dealing with the leak. However, because the rig was in deep water, the effects of this massive leak have not affected coastlines all that much (yet). There are trade offs, and like most situations, it isn't black and white.
 
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DC Vol said:
Not to mention the revolving door between MMS and the oil industry.
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yeah i've hear the garbage obama is trying to spew saying that this is the reason and essentially blaming the old administration. he's had that report on his desk for 6 months now and not only did nothing about it but OKd further drilling in the gulf.
 
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droski said:
yeah i've hear the garbage obama is trying to spew saying that this is the reason and essentially blaming the old administration. he's had that report on his desk for 6 months now and not only did nothing about it but OKd further drilling in the gulf.
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Obama kills me in this regard, in one speech he will do all he can to bring up the last admin, trying to deflect blame away from himself, and then turn around and say the buck stops with me. Which is it Obama?
 
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joevol320 said:
i'm not taking the blame off of BP at all. it was their rig and it blew up, but i'm saying if the same thing happened in more shallow waters, they could have contained it much quicker.

A Spill Afar: Should It Matter? - Green Blog - NYTimes.com

read this article about oils spills in other countries. pretty interesting.
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Petrobras 36 was in a far larger oil field and 30 miles further off coast. Why didn't it have the same abysmal results?

Because it had acoustic sensors to prevent pressure blowing the entire field. Petrobras lost the rig, 1300 barrels and 9 workers. Petrobras was also far quicker to respond with a team in place taking precautions within the day of the explosion.
 
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KB5252 said:
Obama kills me in this regard, in one speech he will do all he can to bring up the last admin, trying to deflect blame away from himself, and then turn around and say the buck stops with me. Which is it Obama?
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what are you saying? he's created multiple commisions. are you implying that's not taking action?
 
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droski said:
yeah i've hear the garbage obama is trying to spew saying that this is the reason and essentially blaming the old administration. he's had that report on his desk for 6 months now and not only did nothing about it but OKd further drilling in the gulf.
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To me this (strictly the issue of government regulators being a little too close to the industry they're supposed to regulate) isn't about Bush or Obama.

Anything said past that is just petty politicking.
 
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joevol320 said:
it's not going to rune the ecosystem, in short term there will be some serious damage but long term the earth will recover from this. the earth has recovered from many natural and unnatural disasters from the past. i bet you there are more man made disasters that are worse than this but we've never heard about.
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Okay, so just because the Earth can recover from an ecological disaster in hundreds, thousands or millions of years makes it okay to run roughshod?
 
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In fairness, until this happened, I think everybody felt like things were running along pretty well, that the technology was performing as it should, and that the companies were following the regulations.

At doctor this am for checkup and was reading an article in Time about how little the technology for dealing with these things has in fact evolved since the 1970's, when there was a similar incident off the Mexican coastline. Very similar problem and they were trying the same things they are now.

I think reality is that the emphasis over the years has been on getting the oil out, but the expense for honing a solution to a problem is just so daunting, given the conditions under which one would want to test it.
 
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DC Vol said:
To me this (strictly the issue of government regulators being a little too close to the industry they're supposed to regulate) isn't about Bush or Obama.

Anything said past that is just petty politicking.
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the same exact issue happens in the power industry too. it's extremely common for people to switch roles. obama implying this has something to do with the spill is ridiculous. or should the prior 60 years without a spill be completely disregarded?
 
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TennTradition said:
This goes both ways. By forcing the companies to drill in deep water, you have problems like this in dealing with the leak. However, because the rig was in deep water, the effects of this massive leak have not affected coastlines all that much (yet). There are trade offs, and like most situations, it isn't black and white.
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This.

But blaming the environmentals for something they've been shouting about happening and their opponents have said there is no way it could ever happen with our technology is pretty silly. I could bump some threads about offshore drilling in 2008 and make some people look like the short-memoried political hacks they are, but I am restraining myself.
 
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DC Vol said:
Okay, so just because the Earth can recover from an ecological disaster in hundreds, thousands or millions of years makes it okay to run roughshod?
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the earth will recover but it will not take hundreds of years like people think.
 
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droski said:
a device which has never even been tested and therefore we have no idea if it would have stopped the flow.
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Brazil and Norway both require acoustic triggers... Norway since 1993. They might not have been "tested" in the strict sense because at least with other rig disasters (Horizon isn't the worst) the primary shut-offs worked... which those didn't for Horizon. Shell and several other oil companies use the acoustic triggers as well... even if not required.
 
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