Why did Sanders abandon the run?

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rockytopmojo

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It was apparent that our OL was beginning to have their way with FLA and we abandon the run? I am NOT criticizing anyone,...BUT I do wonder the reasoning. It was like Sanders and Fulmer were persistent on throwing the ball,...even though DB are FL strength. This is just my observation and would be interested in knowing why we did not run it more. With Riggs getting over 5 yards a carry,..this baffles me. And speaking of that,...why did they take Riggs out for a few possessions? He was running great!!
 
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Originally posted by rockytopmojo@Sep 19, 2005 11:10 AM
It was apparent that our OL was beginning to have their way with FLA and we abandon the run? I am NOT criticizing anyone,...BUT I do wonder the reasoning. It was like Sanders and Fulmer were persistent on throwing the ball,...even though DB are FL strength. This is just my observation and would be interested in knowing why we did not run it more. With Riggs getting over 5 yards a carry,..this baffles me. And speaking of that,...why did they take Riggs out for a few possessions? He was running great!!
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I agree 100%, I will NEVER understand why you would stop doing whats working and try to do something that is NOT your game. Tennessee is NOT a 4 wide stand back a throw for 400 yard kind of team...WHY does Sanders Think he can? I am a true Tennessee fan but as I sat in the stands in Gainsville, even the Gator fans looked to me and said "what is your OC doing"? "Why is he not playing Tennessee football"? :question:
 
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Been asking myself that since Saturday night. To me, THAT is the reason why we lost. Our ST has sucked a whole bunch over the years, yet our offense and defense had been able to overcome.

Offense let us down against UF.
 
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I must call a POINT OF ORDER on you here.

To abandon implies that you are doing something, and then you cease doing it.

We never even went to the run Saturday.

In the first half we had 13 rushes. 13 rushes in the first half and 8 in the second.

To have abandoned the run we would have had to first have been running. We never were.

It was the poorest called offensive game that I've seen since the days of Bill Battle.
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Sep 19, 2005 11:26 AM
I must call a POINT OF ORDER on you here.

To abandon implies that you are doing something, and then you cease doing it.

We never even went to the run Saturday.

In the first half we had 13 rushes. 13 rushes in the first half and 8 in the second.

To have abandoned the run we would have had to first have been running. We never were.

It was the poorest called offensive game that I've seen since the days of Bill Battle.
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I think what he is asking OV is yes, we rushed 13 times, but we had like 85 yards to show for it. Riggs was 10 for 73 by himself. WHy did we abandon the run with numbers like that?
 
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Florida was playing man to man defense with 7-8 in the block.
Thats why we abandoned the run.

Normally, you would be able to throw against man to man coverage, that of course, if are receivers catch the ball, run the same pattern, the qb actually gets the ball to them, etc.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 19, 2005 11:34 AM
Florida was playing man to man defense with 7-8 in the block.
Thats why we abandoned the run.

Normally, you would be able to throw against man to man coverage, that of course, if are receivers catch the ball, run the same pattern, the qb actually gets the ball to them, etc.
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I like to think that Florida also played exceptional man-to-man coverage, too.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 19, 2005 11:34 AM
Florida was playing man to man defense with 7-8 in the block.
Thats why we abandoned the run.

Normally, you would be able to throw against man to man coverage, that of course, if are receivers catch the ball, run the same pattern, the qb actually gets the ball to them, etc.
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8 men in the box didnt stop Riggs. Look at the following rushes by him: 8,8,15,-1,0,8,9,16,2, and 8. Does this look like 8 men were stopping him?
 
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Most of Riggs runs were behind Sears and Smith. UF made the proper adjustments and took that away from us. Then the running game went down the tubes.

Then we were down 2 scores.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 19, 2005 11:34 AM
Florida was playing man to man defense with 7-8 in the block.
Thats why we abandoned the run.

Normally, you would be able to throw against man to man coverage, that of course, if are receivers catch the ball, run the same pattern, the qb actually gets the ball to them, etc.
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They were playing the same defense the whole game, yet we managed to run the ball rather well. If they were stopping us, I would never even question. EVEN the announcers were making references to it.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 19, 2005 11:38 AM
Most of Riggs runs were behind Sears and Smith.  UF made the proper adjustments and took that away from us.  Then the running game went down the tubes.

Then we were down 2 scores.
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We were not down two scores in the first half! We did not run much in the second when we were NOT down two scores! Riggs averaged 5.1 per carry. We did not play UT football and push a smaller weaker team around. I hope we change that.
 
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How do we know they took it away from us. We never even tried to challenge their adjustments. We had blocked them well for the run up to that point. Why not try to out muscle them like we have done so well in the past.

If their strategy was stop the run by enticing them to pass, then it was a good one.

They didn't stop our running game, the numbers speak for themself.

We stopped our running game by not using it as we should.
 
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Someone else on another board brought this up.
And its a great point.

When Florida's big DL got hurt, who even the announcers said was the heart of their Defense, why didnt we run the ball at the interior of the FL DL when he went down.

If we had an OC with any sense, you would have ran the ball right at the guy who took his place, and who obviously was coming into the game cold. There is a pretty good arguement that was an obvious play calling blunder there.
 
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The special teams play baffles me, but this point just plain pisses me off.

We had a 50 pound advantage, per man, on the line of scrimmage. Add to that the loss of a Gator starter, with his replacement giving up a much GREATER amount of size. Riggs was chewing up the defense in the first half, picking up 8 yards or more on almost every carry. Pile on top of that Florida's lack of depth on defense.

IT'S NOT FREAKING ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!

I remember my phone conversation at the half with a buddy and I told him that I felt really good. That tie game at the half definitely gives us an advantage, and that I was looking for us to come out and pound it down Florida's throat in the 3rd and 4th quarters. That we should be able to wear them down with our size and depth. That Riggs had even been spelled for a few downs in the first half and would finish in a similar fashion to the SECCG against Auburn. Looking toward 200 yards.

I've not been one to shoot at our coaches, but WHAT IN THE HECK WERE WE THINKING???
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 19, 2005 11:59 AM
When Florida's big DL got hurt, who even the announcers said was the heart of their Defense, why didnt we run the ball at the interior of the FL DL when he went down.

If we had an OC with any sense, you would have ran the ball right at the guy who took his place, and who obviously was coming into the game cold.  There is a pretty good arguement that was an obvious play calling blunder there.
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:toast: Thank you.

If I had Sanders' cell phone number, we could have tried that argument during the game. God knows we were yelling loud enough at the TV: I'm surprised he didn't hear us all the way down in Gainesville.
 
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i blame the coaching staff.

1) we were running the ball. we didnt run it enough. I did like using Foster while Riggs got a breather but we are TENNESSEE. Pound the freak'n ball at em.
2) we were running tight man coverage in the 1st half. Then we go to the "let's give em easy yards" zone coverage with 10-15 yard gaps btw Dbs and WRs. that is not the way you cover an option based team.
3) we forgot the blitz and couldnt cover it the blitz ourselves.
4) team management. excessive timeouts due to personel problems..but we love to burn those timeouts in the 3rd and 1st quarter.
5) special teams? wtf!

why does out offense look so bad? why havent our receivers been over 100 yards? we have so many weapons, i just feel that someone could do a lot better with the proper coaching. I heard one of the commentators say, UT WRs cannot beat UFs DBs 1-on-1.....?? I guess because our WR crew havent had a chance to shine...why?

help this confused and hurt vol fan. GO VOLS!!

 
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Look no farther than the VOLS 2nd offensive series.

First play- Riggs for 8. 2nd play, Riggs for 15.


WAIT! Now where I went to school, that is 23 yards of offense in 2 plays.


But look at what happens next:

RC-Incomplete pass, Riggs for -1, RC Incomplete pass, PUNT.

That is where I get off on calling people out. If you pick up 23 yards on 2 carries, does that mean you are moving the ball? If you are, then why did you stop?


 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 19, 2005 12:29 PM
Look no farther than the VOLS 2nd offensive series:

First play- Riggs for 8.  2nd play, Riggs for 15.
WAIT!  Now where I went to school, that is 23 yards of offense in 2 plays.  But look at what happens next:

RC-Incomplete pass,  Riggs for -1,  RC Incomplete pass, PUNT.

That is where I get off on calling people out.  If you pick up 23 yards on 2 carries, does that mean you are moving the ball?  If you are, then why did you stop?
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DING DING DING!!! We have a winner.

See. . . .it's not that complicated. I was just shaking my head at the TV set thinking: What the heck???

Once again: IT'S NOT FREAKING ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
 
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Sep 19, 2005 12:36 PM
DING DING DING!!!  We have a winner.

See. . . .it's not that complicated.  I was just shaking my head at the TV set thinking:  What the heck???

Once again:  IT'S NOT FREAKING ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
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Seems to me that if Riggs picks up 8 on 1st down, THEN you take a shot downfield on 2nd and 2. If you miss, you still have 3rd and 2 and the pressure is still on the defnese because you can either run or pass for that 2 yards.
 
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While I agree that the running game appeared to be working in the first half, all we had to show for it was seven points. Seven points ain't gonna' get it done.


Not that I'm all for the passing game, mind you... Ainge was making some horrible decisions in the 2nd half... lucky to not get 2-3 interceptions.

Apparantely, we abandoned the run AND the passing game (and the kicking game). Pretty soon, we might not have any game.
 
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We didn't run it enough in the second half. florida did adjust by cramming the box, and when we did run it in the second half, we did not have much success. A few of those were on first down. One critical stop was the 3rd and 3 play that got stuffed for no gain.

What I don't understand is why we didn't mix it up more. An incomplete pass on first down does not automatically mean we should throw on second down, too. Keep them guessing. Bottom line is the offensive play calling and execution was awful.

 
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 1:46 PM
We didn't run it enough in the second half.  florida did adjust by cramming the box, and when we did run it in the second half, we did not have much success.  A few of those were on first down.  One critical stop was the 3rd and 3 play that got stuffed for no gain. 

What I don't understand is why we didn't mix it up more.  An incomplete pass on first down does not automatically mean we should throw on second down, too.  Keep them guessing.  Bottom line is the offensive play calling and execution was awful.
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Normally, I would agree that a balance between run and pass is the best method. But with Riggs picking up huge chunks of yards, I would have stayed with it until UF actually stopped us.
 
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Originally posted by hitandrun@Sep 19, 2005 1:40 PM
While I agree that the running game appeared to be working in the first half, all we had to show for it was seven points.  Seven points ain't gonna' get it done.
Not that I'm all for the passing game, mind you... Ainge was making some horrible decisions in the 2nd half... lucky to not get  2-3 interceptions.

Apparantely, we abandoned the run AND the passing game (and the kicking game).  Pretty soon, we might not have any game.
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The passing game got us how much? Also you are overlooking the fact that while we are running the ball Our D is resting and theirs is getting even more tired. If their O is on the bench how do they score? The fact is we ran less than we threw by way too big of a margin. I think that if we ran the ball 10 more times in the 1st half and 10 in the 2nd half we win.
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Sep 19, 2005 1:48 PM
Normally, I would agree that a balance between run and pass is the best method.  But with Riggs picking up huge chunks of yards, I would have stayed with it until UF actually stopped us.
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What I meant was mixing it up, with say, a run on second and ten when we are expected to throw again.
 
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