Why did Sanders abandon the run?

#27
#27
Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 1:59 PM
What I meant was mixing it up, with say, a run on second and ten when we are expected to throw again.
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I think that may be where CPF and staff outcoached themselves. I can remember games past if any VOL back had 23 yards on 2 carries, it didnt matter if they lined up with 11 men on the LOS, we would still run the ball.
 
#29
#29
Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 2:23 PM
Slanders is not smart enough to see success when it slaps him in the face.  :banghead:
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Yup. Because as we all know....the blocked kick, fake punt, and dropped punt are all on his shoulders
 
#30
#30
U-T, we arent blaming everything on Sanders but get real.

ps. if you want to see something interesting, go check the coaching staff for USC. you want to talk about NFL caliber and fresh blood? our staff has been around since G. Stallings was at Bama and Holtz was still at Notre Dame. What other coaching staff in the SEC can say that?

good or bad is eeryone's opinion.
 
#31
#31
I am real. I am laughing at all of you who say firing Sanders will solve all of our problems.

Solving Sanders doesn't magically make our OL protect Ainge better, it doesn't magically make our WR's catch very catchable balls, it doesn't vastly improve our ST.

Sanders game plan SUCKED but it would have worked much better had Ainge had more time to throw, WR's caught balls thrown their way, and the ST didnt give the ball away twice near our red zone.
 
#32
#32
im gonna watch the game again tonight and i can almost say 100% that having enough time to throw the ball is bullsh*t.

i do have to agree that a three man rush shouldnt not be getting pressure on the QB.

fire the entire staff except for trooper t.
 
#33
#33
Originally posted by VOL_AHOLIC@Sep 19, 2005 3:48 PM
im gonna watch the game again tonight and i can almost say 100% that having enough time to throw the ball is bullsh*t.

i do have to agree that a three man rush shouldnt not be getting pressure on the QB.

fire the entire staff except for trooper t.
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Yep, and add TT also. Chest bumping is almost out and hat backwards looks like s--t. and he cannot get proper personnel on the field, remember the 1st quarter?
 
#34
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Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:28 PM
Yup. Because as we all know....the blocked kick, fake punt, and dropped punt are all on his shoulders
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We punted and kicked because HIS offense broke down!!!
 
#35
#35
Fire every OC in the country whose team has ever had to punt or kick a FG! You are going a little overboard with this crap buddy.
 
#36
#36
Originally posted by holdemvol@Sep 19, 2005 4:00 PM
Fire every OC in the country whose team has ever had to punt or kick a FG!  You are going a little overboard with this crap buddy.
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Sometimes the truth hurts.
 
#37
#37
Ran well to the left early in the game. Fulmer said that he tried to run more to the right later on because Florida has shifted more to the left. However, hardly any gains to the right.... and the left? we'll never know because the shifted defense made CPF decide to not run to the left anymore. Fulmer was outcoached offensively in this game. If not for the Vols defensive gameplan, the game would have been much worse.
 
#38
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Sep 19, 2005 3:54 PM
Yep, and add TT also. Chest bumping is almost out and hat backwards looks like s--t. and he cannot get proper personnel on the field, remember the 1st quarter?
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yes we all remember Sanders going nuts on TT for the improper personel on the field. get over it.

how many times has UT burned a TO because of wrong personel or because the defense almost fortold what UT was about to do next?

they might be pissed for one play but it was a breakdown by the entire staff. period.

since when has UT lagged in the kicking game?
we thrive off the running game and are usually solid at the kicking game. those are two things i can usually depend on UT for. well...


 
#39
#39
Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:42 PM

Solving Sanders doesn't magically make our OL protect Ainge better, it doesn't magically make our WR's catch very catchable balls, it doesn't vastly improve our ST.

Sanders game plan SUCKED but it would have worked much better had Ainge had more time to throw, WR's caught balls thrown their way, and the ST didnt give the ball away twice near our red zone.
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I agree that Sanders has nothing to do with the OL playing aggressively or blocking well; fine.

However, you can't ignore that we have been mediocre at best offensively ever since 1999, which is, coincidentally, when Sanders became the OC. Every year I hear excuses: we don't have any WR's, we have a young QB, we have a young OL, we have injuries, blah blah blah.

No excuses this year; we have all the pieces necessary so that a freaking monkey could call the plays and allow us to score more than 3 TD's in two games. I mean, we scored 17 freakin points on UAB! 17!

Why is it that our WR's are never open? Why do we often look out of sync? Why do we barely get every single play off before the play clock runs out? Why do we waste timeouts before a critical third down play only to run off tackle right for no gain? Why do we keep having "missed assignments" or confusion.

Watch other teams (UAB, Vanderbilt included) and see how open their WR's are. UAB's line didn't block well for Hackney either, and they don't have half of our talent at WR, yet they were open via crossing patterns, etc. Vanderbilt gets way more productivity out of their offense. Not just the passing game, either. I don't care that we don't put up impressive stats so long as we move the sticks and score touchdowns. I also don't care that we don't have a sexy offensive system that throws it all over the field or whatever, so long as it is effective. We haven't done any of this well since Sanders has been OC. Look at what a difference Charlie Weis has made at Notre Dame. They don't have half the talent we have, yet they have been tremendously productive this year. Same goes for Auburn after they hired Al Borges, and Clemson after they hired Toledo's Offensive coordinator.

Florida played great defensively, but we have got to be able to score more than one freaking touchdown. Being OC isn't just about playcalling; it's about getting all the offensive pieces working in sync as a unit, teaching during practice. It's a combination of playcalling and offensive execution of the plays once they are called. We suck at both.

All of this is on the coordinator. Enough is enough. This is going on six years of mediocrity on offense, and there should be no excuses this year. I've had it; I've defended Randy just the same as some of you have the last couple of years, always chalking it up to inexperience, lack of talent at QB, lack of true WR's, but I'm done. I'm all out of excuses. We need to demote him or get rid of him and bring in some new blood, some new ideas, and some new plays. We brought in Trooper last year, and look what he did for the running backs. New blood, new ideas, new system, new plays . . .
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by GenNeyland9@Sep 19, 2005 5:39 PM
I agree that Sanders has nothing to do with the OL playing aggressively or blocking well; fine.

However, you can't ignore that we have been mediocre at best offensively ever since 1999, which is, coincidentally, when Sanders became the OC.  Every year I hear excuses:  we don't have any WR's, we have a young QB, we have a young OL, we have injuries, blah blah blah.

No excuses this year; we have all the pieces necessary so that a freaking monkey could call the plays and allow us to score more than 3 TD's in two games.  I mean, we scored 17 freakin points on UAB!  17!

Why is it that our WR's are never open? Why do we often look out of sync?  Why do we barely get every single play off before the play clock runs out?  Why do we waste timeouts before a critical third down play only to run off tackle right for no gain?  Why do we keep having "missed assignments" or confusion.

Watch other teams (UAB, Vanderbilt included) and see how open their WR's are.  UAB's line didn't block well for Hackney either, and they don't have half of our talent at WR, yet they were open via crossing patterns, etc.  Vanderbilt gets way more productivity out of their offense.  Not just the passing game, either.  I don't care that we don't put up impressive stats so long as we move the sticks and score touchdowns.  I also don't care that we don't have a sexy offensive system that throws it all over the field or whatever, so long as it is effective.  We haven't done any of this well since Sanders has been OC.  Look at what a difference Charlie Weis has made at Notre Dame.  They don't have half the talent we have, yet they have been tremendously productive this year.  Same goes for Auburn after they hired Al Borges, and Clemson after they hired Toledo's Offensive coordinator.

Florida played great defensively, but we have got to be able to score more than one freaking touchdown.  Being OC isn't just about playcalling; it's about getting all the offensive pieces working in sync as a unit, teaching during practice.  It's a combination of playcalling and offensive execution of the plays once they are called.  We suck at both.

All of this is on the coordinator.  Enough is enough.  This is going on six years of mediocrity on offense, and there should be no excuses this year.  I've had it; I've defended Randy just the same as some of you have the last couple of years, always chalking it up to inexperience, lack of talent at QB, lack of true WR's, but I'm done.  I'm all out of excuses.  We need to demote him or get rid of him and bring in some new blood, some new ideas, and some new plays.  We brought in Trooper last year, and look what he did for the running backs.  New blood, new ideas, new system, new plays . . .
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Well put.
 
#41
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i think GEN is on to something.

17 points is a waste with the talent we have.

things better shape-up soon. Or else, like i said in another thread, we can kiss our great recruiting g-g-g-g-g-goodbye.

I wonder if Patrick Turner is regretting his decision to go to USC over UT? :banghead:

ps. AVOID RIVALS.COM if you are a Randy Sander fan. :ermm:
 
#42
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Originally posted by VOL_AHOLIC@Sep 19, 2005 4:54 PM
i think GEN is on to something.

17 points is a waste with the talent we have.

things better shape-up soon. Or else, like i said in another thread, we can kiss our great recruiting g-g-g-g-g-goodbye.

I wonder if Patrick Turner is regretting his decision to go to USC over UT?  :banghead:

ps. AVOID RIVALS.COM if you are a Randy Sander fan.  :ermm:
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70 total offense yards in the second half.
 
#43
#43
what a waste.

If you were a kid wanting to go to a big time college with big time play calling, would UT be on the list after the 1st two games you've seen.
 
#44
#44
Originally posted by VOL_AHOLIC@Sep 19, 2005 5:08 PM
what a waste.

If you were a kid wanting to go to a big time college with big time play calling, would UT be on the list after the 1st two games you've seen.
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Right behind KY, Vandy, and UT Martin
 
#45
#45
Originally posted by U-T@Sep 19, 2005 3:42 PM
I am real. I am laughing at all of you who say firing Sanders will solve all of our problems.

Solving Sanders doesn't magically make our OL protect Ainge better, it doesn't magically make our WR's catch very catchable balls, it doesn't vastly improve our ST.

Sanders game plan SUCKED but it would have worked much better had Ainge had more time to throw, WR's caught balls thrown their way, and the ST didnt give the ball away twice near our red zone.
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You really trying to blame the receivers again? Get real! We would not have had to punt in the first place had Sanders ran the ball. IF we hold on to the past we can not move forward!
 
#46
#46
SANDERS needs to be kicked to the curb im tellin yall...it is the play callin messing us up ...it could be 3rd and 98 and SANDERS would call a run play...i think he gets fired after this season...also got some inside on the firing of Sanders :biggrin2:
 
#47
#47
Originally posted by rockytopmojo@Sep 19, 2005 6:17 PM
You really trying to blame the receivers again?
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Put the full blame on them?

Not at all

Put some blame on them? You bet your ass with several very catchable dropped passes.

Or can we not blame them and just RS?
 
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