Why did we move away from our offensive identity throughout the year?

#4
#4
I've been wondering the same thing. My theory is it may be due to the in helmet communications where they can talk to Nico down to 15 seconds on the play clock. Normally we would have signaled in the play and snapped it long before that, but it seems they want to take as much advantage of that communication as possible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Smokey19rt
#9
#9
Vols1891 said:
What happened to our fast paced, hurry-up offensive philosophy? We seemed to move away from it in the OU game and never went back to it.
Click to expand...

What happened was that Hendon Hooker graduated.

It's becoming apparent that he was one of a kind. We need a dude that makes quick decisions and then commits to that decision. This is not a knock on Joe Milton, nor Nico, but with Hendon, you could tell he would do one read on his primary, another read on his secondary, and if either of those were open (or nearly open), he'd let it rip. If he felt any pressure, he would take off running. If there was no pressure and he had time to go back to read #1 he would, but if that was not there, he would tuck and run.

If it wasn't there, then it wasn't there -- and HH would move on immediately to the next progression. In my opinion, Milton and Iamaleava both seem to linger a little bit longer on a read and maybe hope it comes open. HH, on the other hand, was already to the 2nd read and/or tucking and running.

We get positive yards or a 1st down, then we can go fast. JMHO.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MagnoliaVol, ForMyLosses, TheDirector and 1 other person
#11
#11
vik said:
What happened was that Hendon Hooker graduated.

It's becoming apparent that he was one of a kind. We need a dude that makes quick decisions and then commits to that decision. This is not a knock on Joe Milton, nor Nico, but with Hendon, you could tell he would do one read on his primary, another read on his secondary, and if either of those were open (or nearly open), he'd let it rip. If he felt any pressure, he would take off running. If there was no pressure and he had time to go back to read #1 he would, but if that was not there, he would tuck and run.

If it wasn't there, then it wasn't there -- and HH would move on immediately to the next progression. In my opinion, Milton and Iamaleava both seem to linger a little bit longer on a read and maybe hope it comes open. HH, on the other hand, was already to the 2nd read and/or tucking and running.

We get positive yards or a 1st down, then we can go fast. JMHO.
Click to expand...


I agree…Hooker was very, very good at analyzing the field and making a quick decision…which coincidentally helped his O-line and receivers out. This year’s extra “one potato,” and sometimes two potatoes or more, we are taking to decide to run or pass hurt us…which is making the receivers look extra bad, and making the O-Line look worse than it really is. Whatever we do going forward the QB has to be, like Hooker, more time-oriented on the reads and subsequent option(s), otherwise you could have the second coming of Nash, Gault, and Peerless Price in the group and it wouldn’t matter.
 
#12
#12
Vols1891 said:
What happened to our fast paced, hurry-up offensive philosophy? We seemed to move away from it in the OU game and never went back to it.
Click to expand...
Honestly I'm not a 100% sure that it works on the top tier teams. It does feel like when we play talented defenses that it doesn't work quite as well. I don't have any evidence, it's just more from eye test more than anything else so I could be completely off because then again, not going fast didn't necessarily work against OSU...
 
#14
#14
BernardKingGOAT said:
I'm certainly not running Nico down here. I just believe with his inexperience and indecisiveness, there was no way Heupel could unleash this offense
Click to expand...
Nico seems to be very grounded. I bet he'd be the first to admit his game in our system has a lot of room to improve.
 
#17
#17
Just food for thought here. I can think of two QBs who have run Josh Heupel's offense at a pretty high level: MacKenzie Milton (now at UCF again with Scott Frost who originally recruited him) and Hendon Hooker, recruited by Pruitt. Obviously, Joe Milton struggled with the offense at UT.

At UCF, Dillion Gabriel ran the offense about as well as Nico as a true freshman. Gabriel won the starting job over former ND QB and 3rd ranked dual threat QB in his recruiting class Brandon Wimbush, who apparently had problems with the offense.

I'm wondering what it is that the stars have to be assigned "just so" for only 2 QBs, so far, to really excel in Heupel's offense?
 
#18
#18
As previously mentioned by others, the OL and WR groups limited some of the offense. Additionally, CJH knows a strong running game significantly helps the defense too. We won 10 games with the lineup we had. If we tried the speed we used under Hooker, we may have lost some of those games by giving the other team’s offense more snaps.
 
#22
#22
BLUTickbusdriver said:
I agree…Hooker was very, very good at analyzing the field and making a quick decision…which coincidentally helped his O-line and receivers out. This year’s extra “one potato,” and sometimes two potatoes or more, we are taking to decide to run or pass hurt us…which is making the receivers look extra bad, and making the O-Line look worse than it really is. Whatever we do going forward the QB has to be, like Hooker, more time-oriented on the reads and subsequent option(s), otherwise you could have the second coming of Nash, Gault, and Peerless Price in the group and it wouldn’t matter.
Click to expand...
Yep. Great QBs make the entire offense look better. If a QB stares down the receivers he wants to throw to, they don't have a chance. Great QBs stare down the opposite side of their intended target(s)
 
  • Like
Reactions: BLUTickbusdriver
#23
#23
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Just food for thought here. I can think of two QBs who have run Josh Heupel's offense at a pretty high level: MacKenzie Milton (now at UCF again with Scott Frost who originally recruited him) and Hendon Hooker, recruited by Pruitt. Obviously, Joe Milton struggled with the offense at UT.

At UCF, Dillion Gabriel ran the offense about as well as Nico as a true freshman. Gabriel won the starting job over former ND QB and 3rd ranked dual threat QB in his recruiting class Brandon Wimbush, who apparently had problems with the offense.

I'm wondering what it is that the stars have to be assigned "just so" for only 2 QBs, so far, to really excel in Heupel's offense?
Click to expand...

While I realize you are only talking about QBs Heupel possessed as a HC-

Drew Locke was very successful for the most part at Mizzu with Heupel as OC

Then you have the plethora of Oklahoma QBs. The only real dud of that group was Trevor Knight. The rest seemed to do ok with it.

I have no clue who Heupels QB was the one year he was at Utah State so cannot really comment on that.

Point being-I am struggling to recall a team with Heupel even as OC struggling like we have for 2 seasons to really put much on the board.
 
#25
#25
For our offense to be better, put our receivers on the jugs, crank it up to Milton level and have them each catch 10k plus balls and perhaps they won’t drop so many of Nico’s on target passes.

I’m not so sure Nico isn’t seeing the wideouts get open but he might just be looking for the one he knows will catch the passes and not waste the down with a drop.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top