Why did we offer 140 recruits?

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I'm really curious. Most top teams (of course not all) will offer maybe 80 to 90 players tops. Texas for example made 30 offers so far and has 20 commits.

Was it because L.K. got a late start and needed to throw a big blanket of offers?
 
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Recruits still dont really have an idea what we will look like next year, so if they commit early it will be with schools they are more comfortable with.

Texas isnt a very good example because everyone from there dreams of being a longhorn and they cherrypick the best ones, who commit on the spot
 
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A lot of the schools you are talking about have a solid backyard of talent ready to commit to them, but UT has to recruit nationally due to the average level of talent in the state of TN. Overall, there are quite a lot of really good schools that offer many many players. In recruiting you can't just pick who you want to commit to your school. Unless you are Texas. For everyone else, you go for all the good players you think you can develop into stars that will fit your system.
 
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the more you offer the better chance you have at 20 or more
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In a way you kind of made my point. I don't believe recruiting is like the lottery where the more you play the more you might win. In my opinion if you offer 7 for every one spot, you have a really high chance that someone of lower talent will commit before the one you really want. At that point you have the problem that the person you really wanted might commit later causing you to draw back offers on another position you might really need or tell the better recruit that he is no longer needed. Either way you're screwed.

Texas isnt a very good example because everyone from there dreams of being a longhorn and they cherrypick the best ones
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Not true.....at least not true a few years ago. Living here I have become very familiar with their recruiting. From the get go Mack made offers to the best two or three at the position in the state and let them know it was first come first served. Some times he would make an offer to one player and give them a time line or he would go somewhere else. If multiple offers were made, he would pull the other one or two offers once the need was filled. It created an environment where the recruits new that if they got an offer it was because Texas really wants them so if they are considering it they had better commit now. As the team got better the recruits started committing on the spot. It's not just because everyone in Texas wants to be a Longhorn. Just check all of the great players going to OU.

The main difference here is that some positions have 15 or more offers hoping anyone will commit. If there is no sense of "the offer may be gone tomorrow" then it allows the recruits to play games with the program which will almost always bite you in the rear.

Seriously I'm not complaining, but just wanted to get the coaches mindset as to why.
 
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volfreak630 said:
Recruits still dont really have an idea what we will look like next year, so if they commit early it will be with schools they are more comfortable with.

Texas isnt a very good example because everyone from there dreams of being a longhorn and they cherrypick the best ones, who commit on the spot
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Exactly. Take a look at all the commits Texas has already. They have 21 commits and all 21 are from Texas. Last year they signed 20 and 19 were from Texas. It is like that every year for them. Mack Brown doesn't have to recruit, he just tells them to hurry up and commit while there are spaces left.
 
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the more you offer the better chance you have at 20 or more

In a way you kind of made my point. I don't believe recruiting is like the lottery where the more you play the more you might win. In my opinion if you offer 7 for every one spot, you have a really high chance that someone of lower talent will commit before the one you really want. At that point you have the problem that the person you really wanted might commit later causing you to draw back offers on another position you might really need or tell the better recruit that he is no longer needed. Either way you're screwed.


Good point, "blanket" recruiting is a crap shoot.
 
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Because the more you offer, the more you get exposed to their teammates for years to come. Then you create pipelines, which is not the whole goal of recruiting, but you have to get established sometime.
 
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Texas Vol...thanks for posting that bit about Mac's recruiting in Texas....I didn't know exactly how he developed into his "we'll take those that commit first" philosophy...it makes sense, but he has perfected the sign early approach.
 
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I think I'm going to trust the judgment of a staff that recruited a top 10 class including the #1 recruit in the nation with only about 3 months to work.

There's simply no reason to think otherwise at this point.
 
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I think I'm going to trust the judgment of a staff that recruited a top 10 class including the #1 recruit in the nation with only about 3 months to work.
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If you are talking about the '09 class that was mostly Fulmer and his staff. I'm asking about L.K. and his '10 class. Sorry if I was unclear.
 
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Actually at least 12 of the 09 class where all CLK"s recruits, which is over half of the total.
 
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Some of this is just a numbers game. Agree with some of the above posters. We need to offer a lot since we do not have the luxury of in state talent like Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, California. It should be interesting to see how many we hall in. It's still very early in the recruitiing game.
 
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Actually at least 12 of the 09 class where all CLK"s recruits, which is over half of the total.
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I count 13 players that committed after LK was hired and only 10 after January 1 (4 1/2 weeks after he was hired). Realistically he only had a serious impact on 6 or 7 recruits.

Again, I'm not discounting his abilities, but rather asking why he would make 140 offers for the '10 class.
 
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Some good work by Lane in such a short amount of time. Busy guy. You have to also realize that Lane also recruited Monte, Orgeron, Thompson, Chaney, Gran, Reaves, and the rest. Plus he was recruiting the kids!
 
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Texas Vol said:
I count 13 players that committed after LK was hired and only 10 after January 1 (4 1/2 weeks after he was hired). Realistically he only had a serious impact on 6 or 7 recruits.

Again, I'm not discounting his abilities, but rather asking why he would make 140 offers for the '10 class.
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Bryce Brown- All Kiffin
David Oku- Mostly Kiffin (David was rooting for Kiffin to get the job)
Robert Nelson- All Kiffin
Janzen Jackson- All Kiffin
Nuke Richardson- All Kiffin
Daren Myles- All Kiffin
Marsalis Teague- All Kiffin
Greg King- All Kiffin
Nyshier Oliver- Almost All Kiffin
Mike Edwards- All Kiffin
Rae Sykes- old commit
Montori Hughes- old commit
James Green- All Kiffin
Arthur Jeffery- All Kiffin
Toney Williams- Fulmer commit that wavered, Kiffin kept him here
Marlon Walls- old commit
Eric Gordon- All Kiffin
Jerod Askew- Fulmer commit
Nigel Mitchell-Thorton- Fulmer commit that wavered, Kiffin convinced him to say
Zach Rogers- Fulmer commit
JerQuari Schofield- Fulmer find, Kiffin kept him from staying in-state (Clemson)
Kevin Revis- Fulmer commit


And by "All Kiffin" that includes his staff.

We offered so many recruits because they are looking for a big class as far as numbers, because they want to become established, and since we are recruiting all over the US and not mostly in-state we will not have the % of commit success as some other programs.
 
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Texas Vol said:
I count 13 players that committed after LK was hired and only 10 after January 1 (4 1/2 weeks after he was hired). Realistically he only had a serious impact on 6 or 7 recruits.

Again, I'm not discounting his abilities, but rather asking why he would make 140 offers for the '10 class.
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because we expect to have a really, really big team:)
 
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OH is right. The reason we have over-offered is because we plan on over-signing. This class will be pretty big. Not all will qualify likely, and some will enroll early and count back.

As far as this past class being Fulmer's doing. You are out of your damn mind if you think that. Or you just haven't been paying much attention. Go somewhere else and spew that garbage.
 
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OH is right. The reason we have over-offered is because we plan on over-signing. This class will be pretty big. Not all will qualify likely, and some will enroll early and count back.

As far as this past class being Fulmer's doing. You are out of your damn mind if you think that. Or you just haven't been paying much attention. Go somewhere else and spew that garbage.
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You are correct. Not sure who brought in who, but the class was defniteily upscaled by CLK's recruits.
 
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As far as this past class being Fulmer's doing. You are out of your damn mind if you think that. Or you just haven't been paying much attention. Go somewhere else and spew that garbage.
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I hate stupidity. Before you start calling names and making slurs know your facts. Go to rivals to see commit dates. My FACTS are FACTS. The commit dates dont lie. Most of those players were already signed or in the pipeline with most of the work done before he arrived. He didn't wave a magic fairy wand to make the players appear in a couple of weeks.

I didn't start the thread to start an argument. I asked a very good question and had a lot of good answers then you came along.
 
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When Kiffin first came on, he talked about how every big time recruit had TN in its top 5. I think he wants to bring that back.
 
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Let's give him a couple more years and I think CLK will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he and his staff are recruiting machines!:worship:
 
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"When you are really organized and you are doing your evaluations, these guys pop up," Tennessee recruiting coordinator Ed Orgeron says. "When you are watching a guy who is going to be a senior, you are always looking at the best players and you ask the coach who the guy is. It kind of started like that. If we feel we have enough information, then we are going to offer him whether it is early or late. This is a year-round process for us."





A Big 12 recruiting coordinator who asked not to be identified says Penn State's example needs to be heeded when schools hand out scholarship offers early in the process.

"I think there is a real danger with early recruiting because the best and most developed players at 16 aren't necessarily the best and most developed players at 22, and we saw a perfect example of that at Penn State," he says. "You have to really make sure you do your homework and are confident that the offer you're making is going to be the best thing for your program not at this moment but in the future, when they are juniors and seniors and they're the leaders of your program."

That same assistant says he's noticed several programs being ultra-aggressive over the past few months and went as far as to say the programs were "handing out offers like candy."

"I'm talking about schools like Auburn, Arkansas, Tennessee and Ole Miss," he says. "It's impossible to be able to really make as many early evaluations and offers as these guys have done and know exactly what you are offering. There's no way they've done their homework and actually seen more than a game tape or a highlight tape on a kid.

"I think they're going for the scorched-earth type of approach to recruiting: 'Let's get as many guys committed to us early on and then we'll figure out if they're any good later on.' They're not worried about burning any bridges with high school coaches or the ramifications that might come if they drop a kid late in the process because they might not never recruit at that school again. It's a risky game."

It's also a tactic that has proven successful for Orgeron and schools such as Auburn, Arkansas and Ole Miss.

Orgeron has a successful track record as an ace recruiter at USC, as the recruiting coordinator who helped Tennessee rally to sign one of the nation's best classes this year and as the coach who helped Ole Miss sign some of its highest-regarded groups in history. Plus, Auburn, Arkansas and Ole Miss each signed top-20 recruiting classes this year.

"We trust our own evaluations," Orgeron says. "We have offered guys already that no one else has offered. We have offered guys that other teams have offered. That doesn't matter to us. We trust our own evaluation and our own staff. That is why we were hired."

A little insight!
 
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