Why do 90+% of American blacks vote for Democrats?

[gsvol]

1. According to the Founding Fathers and their philosophical inspirations, liberty was only constrained by a higher order value: life (which, for Locke, including property) and immediate physical security; i.e., the right to liberty is superseded by the right to life (not any "right to civil order": tyrannies have plenty of civil order).



2. Signing and ratifying treaties, any treaty, is allowed by the Constitution. Thus, what is your grievance if Obama signs these treaties and 2/3 of the Senate ratify?



3. Who is ignoring the Constitution? Signing said treaties is acting in accord with the Constitution; it is not acting in accord with an actual theory of liberty (but, you continually discard the notion of liberty sans law).

Note: The Southern members of the Constitutional Delegation ensured that "collective liberty" actually took precedence over "individual liberty" when they demanded that slavery remain in effect and that slaves only count as 3/5 of a person.

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2. There would be no possible redress it the treaties would be signed and ratified. Again, I oppose the treaties because they surrender too much of our sovereignty for one thing.

I believe them not to be in the best interests of both our nation and individual American citizens and American businesses.

Speaking of right to life;

3. I was speaking of many of the actions of the federal government as being unconstitutional, particularly with this administration and it's allies in congress, a prime example is obamacare but that is only one example. Assuming unconstitutional authority be the federal government isn't confined to this administration or even to the democrat party at all either.

These particular treaties are horrible if you bother to examine them and consider the ramifications.

 

[2ironVol]

About as accurate as it gets.

Sure, when stacking HORSESH**

 

[shadedvolorange]

In the early 70s I eas spending some time in Florida before Uncle Sam pulled my lottery number and sent me overseas. I worked with a black man and soon became friends with this gentleman. One afternoon we were having some beer with several of our coworkers and talk soon turned to politics. we all had our own reasons for voting the way we did. This friend of mine, the black gentleman, explained why he would never vote for a democrat. he was part of the civil rights movement and had vast experience with the southern police. He further that it was not the Republicans that used batons, boots, flashlites, highpowered firehoses and sent attack dogs on his group, it was, as he proclaimed the DIXIECRATS, led by democrats. Why do 90% of American blacks vote for democrats? If they knew the true history of the two parties i think they would shift their alliance.

 

[DjCrenshaw]

You must not have read my original post.

Republican Dwight Eisenhower did more for African Americans that any four democrat presidents.

Dwight was in office for brown vs board of education. Supreme court, not him. He upheld their decision where ever it was opposed. That's what the executive branch does. Truman desegregated the armed forces for the Korean War. Could say that is what got the ball rolling. I am not arguing for or against any party.

 

[gsvol]

Well, Chatanooga lawyer John Wolfe received 42% last night in Ark! That in itself should be an indicment on the Obama campaign!

Exit polls in Arkansas show that the majority of blacks voted against Obama.

The democrat party will award no delegates to Wolfe.

How's that for a slap in the face from the DNC?

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This guy doesn't, and he doesn't think the others should, either.

Star Parker is another, read some of her articles on Town Hall.

In the early 70s I eas spending some time in Florida before Uncle Sam pulled my lottery number and sent me overseas. I worked with a black man and soon became friends with this gentleman. One afternoon we were having some beer with several of our coworkers and talk soon turned to politics. we all had our own reasons for voting the way we did. This friend of mine, the black gentleman, explained why he would never vote for a democrat. he was part of the civil rights movement and had vast experience with the southern police. He further that it was not the Republicans that used batons, boots, flashlites, highpowered firehoses and sent attack dogs on his group, it was, as he proclaimed the DIXIECRATS, led by democrats. Why do 90% of American blacks vote for democrats? If they knew the true history of the two parties i think they would shift their alliance.

It's always refreshing to talk with a black Republican.

A lot of blacks vote for democrats because of the 'war on poverty', etc.

When the war on poverty began 70% of black children grew up in a two parent household, today 70% of black children live in a single parent household.

Democrat socialist programs have practically destroyed the black family unit and done more harm to the black community than any other factor in the last half century.

Dwight was in office for brown vs board of education. Supreme court, not him. He upheld their decision where ever it was opposed. That's what the executive branch does. Truman desegregated the armed forces for the Korean War. Could say that is what got the ball rolling. I am not arguing for or against any party.

Eisenhower was more responsible for desegregating the military than Truman.

Eisenhower has a very long list of things he did for African Americans without the help of congress or the courts.

 

[therealUT]

Eisenhower was more responsible for desegregating the military than Truman.

How do you make this claim? Sure, as SHAEF Commander, Ike, realizing he simply needed bodies, allowed a small number of black soldiers into white units. Truman, on the other hand, issued Executive Order 9981:

It is hereby declared to be the policy of the President that there shall be equality of treatment and opportunity for all persons in the armed services without regard to race, color, religion or national origin. This policy shall be put into effect as rapidly as possible, having due regard to the time required to effectuate any necessary changes without impairing efficiency or morale.

Of note, he issued this order after Ike's tenure as Army Chief of Staff, while Ike was President of Columbia University; therefore, I would give the credit to Truman for his EO.

*Note: I am not a fan of either Truman or Ike; I think that your history should be correct, though.

 

[gsvol]

How do you make this claim? Sure, as SHAEF Commander, Ike, realizing he simply needed bodies, allowed a small number of black soldiers into white units. Truman, on the other hand, issued Executive Order 9981:



Of note, he issued this order after Ike's tenure as Army Chief of Staff, while Ike was President of Columbia University; therefore, I would give the credit to Truman for his EO.

*Note: I am not a fan of either Truman or Ike; I think that your history should be correct, though.

While what you say is true, Eisenhower was the leading advocate of the racial integration of the military, Truman would probably not have issued his order without Eisenhower's public statements because of the possible backlash from within his own party and remember, our armed forces had been gutted after WWII and Truman needed bodies also, quickly.

I'm not the biggest fan of either Truman or Eisenhower but I have both good and bad things to say about both in hindsight.

BTW, the democrat party tried to recruit Eisenhower long before he became affiliated with either party.

Although some blacks shifted over to the democrats during FDR's presidency, the big migration followed MLK and now I think after voting in a black in Obama, many are again considering the words of MLK; 'consider the content of a man's character rather than the color of his skin.'

Here is one possible example;

Former Dem Rep. Artur Davis switches to GOP - The Hill's Ballot Box

The one-time Democratic rising star had grown critical of the party in recent years, was the only African American member of the House to vote against Democrats' health care reform law, and became increasingly vocal about his disagreements with the Democrats after losing a gubernatorial primary in 2010.

My main point is that throughout American history the republican party, which had black co-founders, has done far more for African Americans than the democrats have.

And furthermore they have done so on principle rather than for the purpose of political expediency!