Why don't people stand behind the words they say anymore?

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VolInMn said:
No?

Maddow asked: "Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?"

Paul answered: "Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires."
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here he clarifies his position - as you can see, it's much more complicated.

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If I get on the radio and say, "Southerners are fat," am I telling "the truth"?

There are indeed plenty of fat people in the south; in fact, southern states lead the nation in obesity rates.

But what about all the people in the south who aren't fat?

What about the Katerina victims who didn't blame the government?
 
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To the original question, because politicians are spineless pansies.
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Velo Vol said:
If I get on the radio and say, "Southerners are fat," am I telling "the truth"?

There are indeed plenty of fat people in the south; in fact, southern states lead the nation in obesity rates.

But what about all the people in the south who aren't fat?

What about the Katerina victims who didn't blame the government?
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I say southerners are fat every day. They are, statistically speaking. Why should we ever have to refrain from speaking the truth?
 
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Velo Vol said:
If I get on the radio and say, "Southerners are fat," am I telling "the truth"?

There are indeed plenty of fat people in the south; in fact, southern states lead the nation in obesity rates.

But what about all the people in the south who aren't fat?

What about the Katerina victims who didn't blame the government?
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If you said Southerners are fatter than Californians you'd be correct. Are there fat people in California and thin people in the South? Sure but on average people are fatter in the South. Making that statement is not stereotyping.

If someone told you about a particular person from the South and you said "well they must be fat" then you would be stereotyping.

Hope this helps :hi:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/20/sports/AP-Mayor-Myers.html?_r=2&ref=sports


The guy tells the truth... then he backs away from it after the slightest bit of pressure. I'm so sick and tired of people giving out appologies like this because there is no sincerity behind it and secondly, there is no need to appologize for telling the truth.
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When I confronted my own congressman and he tried to lie to my face and I caught him on it, had this reply; "You can't speak the truth in Washington D C for fear of being crucified in the media."








utvolpj said:
can't say anything bad about the people affected by Katrina. I believe it's a rule or something
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It's a rule that you can't use words that might be construed as a slur unless perhaps you are talking about gringo whitey rednecks.





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DC Vol said:
It's where we are as a culture now. It's frustrating to see clear indications that the US is being inundated with people who do not believe in the foundation that made this country what it is and is being gradually weakened from the inside-out.

I just hope China doesn't pull the leash around our necks in my lifetime.
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Standing in the dock at Southampton,
Trying to get to Holland or France.
The man in the mac said, "You've got to go back".
You know they didn't even give us a chance.

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.

Finally made the plane into Paris,
Honeymooning down by the Seine.
Peter Brown called to say,
"You can make it O.K.,
You can get married in Gibraltar, near Spain".

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.

Drove from Paris to the Amsterdam Hilton,
Talking in our beds for a week.
The newspaper said, "Say what you doing in bed?"
I said, "We're only trying to get us some peace".

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.

Saving up your money for a rainy day,
Giving all your clothes to charity.
Last night the wife said,
"Oh boy, when you're dead
You don't take nothing with you
But your soul - think!"

Made a lightning trip to Vienna,
eating chocolate cake in a bag.
The newspaper said, "She's gone to his head,
They look just like two gurus in drag".

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.

Caught the early plane back to London.
Fifty acorns tied in a sack.
The men from the press said, "We wish you success,
It's good to have the both of you back".

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.
The way things are going
They're gonna crucify me.

Start some more threads dedicated to me, I love it. :)








DC Vol said:
Well, it's fair game to blame the entire global meltdown soley on white people. That's just "stating the facts." Making any other sweeping generalizations against blacks, yellows, reds (sticking with colors... for equality sake) is outright racism and intolerance.


It's mind numbingly asinine.
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And here you had me believing you were so sane you had no interest in reality.

Hamas invented hummus.

Mexicans and OTMs invented refried beans.

Only the ingredients have been changed to protect th guilty.







BearCat204 said:
Just my 2 cents to this Katrina thing. I was involved with rescue operations in katrina while I was in the Navy. We took about 9 H60 birds down there to help evacuate people who were stranded. Never in my life would I think that we would be getting shot at from people on the ground. There were 3 birds including mine that took small arms fire from individuals on the ground. Not saying that all NOLA residents were like this, but the few that were involved with this gave me a bad taste in my mouth for the whole situation.
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Someone may have substituted humus for hummus in your c rations.

Wouldn't have surprised me one bit.

The last time I was there i was visiting a friend who had callen NO home for 37 years.

Late one night he wanted to jump in the car and drive over to Algiers.

We crossed the bridge and drove into a neighborhood that looked like no man's land in a war zone, the streets were completely deserted.

The only car I saw on the street was a NO police car, he flashed his blue lights at me and then drove off in the opposite direction.

That's when I had my friend hand me my pistol out of the glove compartment.

We pulled up an parked in front of a high rise that I was told was a public housing unit.

For a pretty good while gang members (NOI affiliated) that controled it were firing high powered rifles at people coming accorss the bridge, commuting home from work.

Finally one car was hit that killed a young white woman and her unborn child.

That was the last shot ever fired.

As my friend related the story, a NO police sgt of Irish descent had had enough and borrowed an armored personel carrier with a cannon on top from the National Guard and pulled it up in front of the building and then went to the door and called for a meeting with the gang leader about the sniping at whitey.

The thug just scoffed at him and said that thing wasn't big enough to hold enough people to take the building, how many men does it have in it?

The guy said two men, but it was full of ammunition.

The sgt told him that wasn't how it was going to go down, what was going to happen when the next shot was fired was that he was going to call in every swat team in New Orleans and have them evacuate the the women and children from the building and then he was going to give his men the command to open fire until every round was gone and by that time there wouldn't be two bricks on top of another.









volinbham said:
It wasn't stereotyping in the classic sense - it was an observation about 2 specific events and how the general response varied.

Stereotyping would say that NO would always do this or any city with the population characteristics of NO would do this, etc.

Applying your rule, no one can ever make a comparison in generalized terms.
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You guys confusing me with this liberal nuance stuff.

How about a little claification of terms??

OK, when you say 'stereotype,' you mean using both hands instead of the one finger hunt and peck, right??

Now when you say 'generalized rule', isn't that what happens after a military coup??

Or as Barry would say, a military corpse.

Understanding terms is sort of a core issue in all communication, don't we agree??
 
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Velo Vol said:
If I get on the radio and say, "Southerners are fat," am I telling "the truth"?

There are indeed plenty of fat people in the south; in fact, southern states lead the nation in obesity rates.

But what about all the people in the south who aren't fat?

What about the Katerina victims who didn't blame the government?
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Sterotypes are meant to cover the a significant portion of people in a group... not ALL. Do you understand the distinction?
 
#34
#34
Velo Vol said:
If I get on the radio and say, "Southerners are fat," am I telling "the truth"?

There are indeed plenty of fat people in the south; in fact, southern states lead the nation in obesity rates.

But what about all the people in the south who aren't fat?

What about the Katerina victims who didn't blame the government?
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If you got on the radio and said "Southerners are fat", nobody would care.

People publicly decry groups of people that are primarily white all the time with absolutely no repercussions; all kinds of claims from racism to homphobia that cover an entire group, and nothing ever happens. No calls for resigning, no boycotting, nothing. The double standard is insulting and with each passing day I'm hoping more and more people stand up and speak their mind and stop giving in the PC police.
 
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BeecherVol said:
They will be dragging hispanics through the streets with ice cream in hand.
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Funny you should say that, for dessert the Casa Blanca served goat cheese ice cream to it's guests at the dinner for Calderon this week.

I kid you not.

America has better do something or we're likely to get a hispanrectomy before too long, some say California will have a hispanic majority by 2020.
 
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#36
gsvol said:
Funny you should say that, for dessert the Casa Blanca served goat cheese ice cream to it's guests at the dinner for Calderon this week.

I kid you not.

America has better do something or we're likely to get a hispanrectomy before too long, some say California will have a hispanic majority by 2020.
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A majority by 2020? We sure don't want that, do we gsvol? What is your plan to keep California white?
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#37
#37
Rand has my support, as does Ron. He said that he supported the 9 parts of the bill that dealt with the public sector, and wasn't in support of only the 1 part dealing with the private. At the very heart of his stance is a valid POV.
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BoseefusTheVol said:
A majority by 2020? We sure don't want that, do we gsvol? What is your plan to keep California white?
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How many uninvited guest workers do you employ??

Planning a vacation in Mexico this year??

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Obama wouldn't identify the animal that ran accross in front of his podium yesterday, he said that would rodent profiling.

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May you be the first poster here to get a hispanrectomy.

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Don't let me get in the way of your pc bigotry though, I love diversity.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Kill them.
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Charlie Manson was just ahead of his time.

The Clinton/Chicom plan was to intorduce 2,000 fully automatic AK-47s to the gangs of Oakland, we just narrowly avoided that and it was hushed up before many people heard about it.
 
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#45
VolInMn said:
Well sure. When you say you believe businesses should be able to say "we don't serve black people", what would you expect?
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A prominent African American leader says the same thing and blames government involvement for prolonging segregation long after it would have died a natural death if it had just been left to free interprise.

BTW, the democrat party that fought tooth and nail against segregationist laws came around to support integration and act like they were responsible everything anti-discriminatory.

Some day they will probably try to say they were for stopping illegal immigration.
 
#46
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Huh???? :confused:
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My bad!! :fool:


Please accept my profuse apology.

My excuse, it was late and I went off half cocked thinking you were another poster who can't seem to ever underestand the excellent point you make. :clapping:

As a matter of fact your thread starter is also something that constantly bothers me.

Just what did happen to American society that the values of honesty, integrity and moral character don't seem to be held in such high esteem anymore??? :sad:
 
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