Why Gruden?

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Man seriously,you think anybody besides gruden can recriut agianst Fl,Ga,Al,Lsu...please your're dillusional!
 
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I don't think any of us are saying he is 100% guaranteed to come and start winning at UT but your crazy to say he doesn't have good coaching ability and the mindset to succeed, thus worth the risk. With that being said he did have good years at Oakland and when he won the Super Bowl at TB most of the players praise Gruden and his ability to fire them and up and getting them ready for that season. You can't compare him to Saban now but I'll say this, Saban had a worse record than Gruden in the NFL and look at him? They took a risk and it paid off huge! On the recruiting aspect if you have read some of the articles out there recruits are dying to see if UT gets Gruden and if we do they are all ears open to Tennessee, that's before he has even contacted them or sat down with them. You have to believe if they are hyped just over his name being mentioned around the program what it will contribute to if it actually happens. Gruden still has many coaching years ahead of him and I believe he has only sharpened his skills by being an ESPN analyst. Gruden is a rockstar now and kids know it!
 
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MG1968 said:
you're one of those that assumes NFL success will equal college success

hate to be the bearer of bad news, skippy, but it rarely works out that way
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I don't see any place in my post where I said he would be a great college coach. I was just defending him on you saying he wasn't a good coach on any level. That assumption by you is false.
The only assumption I ever have is that the Lions will suck it up every year... skippy
 
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Imagine him and his staff getting up to 25 new POTENTIAL first or second round draft picks every year. I don't think he's going to find that kind of opportunity in the NFL.
 
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Dungy barely had a record over .500 before taking the easiest job in the world at Indy (a blind poo flinging monkey could coach a Peyton Manning led team to 10 wins in that division).

More impotantly, Gruden only had 3 losing seasons in 11 years as HC at Oakland and Tampa Bay. And he was fired in a season after his team finished 9-7, but narrowly missed the playoffs.
 
#32
#32
Because he loves football. Do you love football? Well, do you? You love football? You do, don't you? You love it! You know you love it! I can't help but not like a coaches son who wakes up at 3 AM to watch game film even when he doesn't have a job. No one worked harder here than him under Walt Harris. I'm open to other options, because plenty of excellent candidates are out there, but Jon is the best.

Excerpts from his book on UT: (There's a whole lot more, it's a good read)

To me it sounded like the greatest deal in the world. I was so excited to get behind the wheel of my Pontiac Grand Prix and make the eight-hour drive from Dayton to Knoxville, Tennessee, a place that I had known about only from seeing it on TV. The Volunteers had just won the Sugar Bowl, beating Miami 35-7. As soon as you reached the middle of town you could immediately sense the championship atmosphere surrounding the place. When I got there I just found myself standing in awe of this huge stadium they called Neyland Stadium.
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We had a defensive graduate assistant named Jack Sells who worked for Ron Zook. Ron is the greatest recruiter of all time, so as a GA Jack was always recruiting, trying to make a name for himself as a recruiter. He excelled at that. He'd get guys to come in on visits. He'd sign guys and strut stuff and Coach Majors loved him. Me? I was studying film. I was going to be like Walt. Jack was going to be like Zook. In fact, the other coaches and GAs used to call me "Little Walt."
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Any time of the day or night you could find me in the football offices at the Stokley Athletic Center watching film of our games and practices. I'd make cut-ups of pass patterns so I could see a particular play over and over and over. I'd take notes of what Walt would say to the quarterbacks during meetings, and then I'd read them while watching the corresponding play on film. Reading and watching. Watching and reading. Over and over and over.
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I'd stay in the offices all day and night if I had to, because I was on a mission. I wanted to be good. I wanted to be Walt. I wanted to call the plays. I wanted to have the big office he had.
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One year Army had ripped us running the wishbone, which is a triple-option offense, and Walt had told me to take film of that game and put one cut-up of every time they used a veer-block scheme and another cut-up of every time they used a loop-block scheme. There was just one problem: I didn't know what either scheme looked like. Walt didn't have the time to explain them to me, so I found another assistant coach who did, Phil Fulmer. He pointed out that veer and loop schemes are two ways of blocking the point of attack and that the quarterback reads as he comes down the line before deciding which of the three options to use: keeping the ball to run it himself, handing it to the FB or pitching it to the TB. If the defensive end goes outside, the FB gets the handoff. If the end slants inside, the QB will keep running down the line and read the OLB to decide whether to pitch it to the TB, which he'll do if the LB attacks the QB. If the LB goes outside, he'll keep it and try to turn the corner. The blocking scheme revolves around how the OT on the side the play is headed goes to the MIKE. You can loop outside, around the end, or veer block, which means the tackle comes down inside the end. Either way, he's not going to make contact with the end because that's the QB's primary read. All I had to do after Coach Fulmer's thorough explanation was recognize both blocking schemes on film, which back then wasn't easy for me. Splicing what might have taken experienced coach forty-five minutes to do took me four hours. I didn't care. The only thing that mattered was that when Walt came in the next morning it was done. I was always nervous when he would put the film on the projector and turn it on. It meant so much to me when it would say, "It's a good cut-up, Jon."
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Donger said:
I don't see any place in my post where I said he would be a great college coach. I was just defending him on you saying he wasn't a good coach on any level. That assumption by you is false.
The only assumption I ever have is that the Lions will suck it up every year... skippy
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where did I say he wasn't a good coach on any level?
 
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Only time would tell if Gruden is the long term answer.

I really think he could recruit with the elite due to his popularity and charisma. We need elite talent in a bad way.

If he could get us the talent and get great assistants we could rise to the top in a years time.

I can't predict the future so who knows if we get him or not...
 
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Of the candidates listed, I would probably pick Gruden if I had to pick. But with that said, I have no idea how successful he is going to be. I think that those who have concerns about his ability to be successful at UT are justified.

But, I DON'T see any merit in the thought that he will flee to the NFL in a few years. (unless he just hates coaching college) If he wanted to coach in the NFL, all he would have to do is wait until the end of the NFL regular season, raise his hand and say "I'm really again," and he'd have a NFL HC gig in about 10 minutes.
 
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I love Jon Gruden, but a coach should be beating our door down to come here!! Tennessee hire somebody who's heart will be with him. Take that money and offer it to bob stoops!!!! Bob stoops would be a homerun hire and would do wonders here. Stop begging Tennessee were better than that.
 
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I don't follow the NFL, so I had no heard the name Gruden until a couple weeks ago. I don't know whether or not he can coach players up... but

#1 Given great players, great personal, he can win in the NFL - since he has coached a team to a superbowl win. He may suck somehow as a coach, but I at least know that.

#2 His name is the most hyped name I have seen. I clicked a Eagles link the other day and they were excited about the possibility of him coming.

So with the hype, I don't see how possibly he could not get the recruits. Also it looks like UT has offered big money for him to get the right personal. So he can have everything that made him successful in the NFL. The only issue I see is that college is different which is a unknown. Can he go toe to toe with Bama, UF, and UGA, #2, #3, and #4 currently in the polls? Maybe, maybe not. Can any of the other names being floated around go toe to toe with then? I seriously doubt it. So that really on leaves him, unless another well known, well hyped winner comes forward.
 
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kerry4vols said:
I love Jon Gruden, but a coach should be beating our door down to come here!! Tennessee hire somebody who's heart will be with him. Take that money and offer it to bob stoops!!!! Bob stoops would be a homerun hire and would do wonders here. Stop begging Tennessee were better than that.
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It's not 1998 anymore. We're down! WAY down! We haven't won an SEC or a National Championship in 14 years. We haven't been in an SEC Championship game in 5 years. We are in the toughest, most competitive conference in the nation and our in conference rivals ALL have far more fertile in-state recruiting. The idea that coaches should be beating our door down to coach here is a bit delustional.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
It's not 1998 anymore. We're down! WAY down! We haven't won an SEC or a National Championship in 14 years. We haven't been in an SEC Championship game in 5 years. We are in the toughest, most competitive conference in the nation and our in conference rivals ALL have far more fertile in-state recruiting. The idea that coaches should be beating our door down to coach here is a bit delustional.
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I understand that, but top facilities, top fan base, tradition. Believe it or not coaches WANT that. So yeah we're down, but hey how long had it been since Alabama won a SEC championship before getting Saban. And there last national championship was when? My point.
 
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efeezell said:
Everyone wanted Lane Kiffin then look at the mess he left Ut in after just one year. Kiffin said he wouldnt leave but then a better job (at least to him) come along and he was gone.
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If you could go ahead and point me to a comment Kiffin made about not leaving if his dream job opened, that would be great
 
#42
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I posted this earlier........

Reasons why UT should hire Gruden,,,,,,,
I'm just thinking, What name would rejuvenate the fan base? What name would put over 70,000 fans for the O&W game? What name would bring season tickets back up to possible record sales? What name can sale out the first 2 games for 2013 against Austin Peay and Western Kentucky? What name would put money back in to UT's pocket? This name alone would generate so much that I don't understand how UT can not get this worked out with JG..... JON FREEKING GRUDEN

Plus he has won the Super Bowl
 
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MG1968 said:
you're one of those that assumes NFL success will equal college success

hate to be the bearer of bad news, skippy, but it rarely works out that way
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As long as you bring college success on your staff, NFL success opens the doors to previously slammed-shut recruiting areas. Kids want to hear from a head coach who has already hoisted a Lombardi trophy as a head coach. Kids want to be taught what it will take to win that ring. Does it mean automatic college success? No. That's why the staff exists. Gruden's name opens doors to some of the best players in the country.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Why is anyone worried that Gruden will go to the NFL down the road? As I understand it he likely has his choice of at least either the Browns or the Eagles right now.

And so what if he does bolt after 4 years - which I would hope not - but lets say he does. The big selling point with me is that right now at this time we need our program to be able to compete with the very very best on the recruiting trail. We need that now. I guess I could be wrong but right now I think he becomes a magnet for recruiting in the short term at least and we get some talent such that CP type play makers fill our roster on both sides of the ball.

I think we can worry about 4 years from now....4 years from now.
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I think it would be a much bigger problem if the NFL option wasn't there after four years at UT
 
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