Why I do not like the Yanks..........

#51
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UTLCA said:
That's not what I said at all though. I'd rather use the money we're giving A-Rod to pay Johan Santana to be our #1. How is that thinking he would consider himself lucky? Isn't that just a sound strategy
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Just stating why I dislike the Yankees. I never meant to imply what you said.
 
#52
#52
UTLCA said:
Talk to the Player's Union about that. Sorry, but if the Red Sox have a chance at this generation's best pitcher, then the Yankees are going to do something and not let their archrival have a guy that could derail the Yankees playoff chances. It would be stupid not to.
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No, of course it would be stupid not to. I'm not suggesting that the Yankees (or Red Sox) shouldn't exploit their massive financial advantage to every extent possible. You play to win the game. But you can at least understand why that makes fans of every other team in baseball hate the Yankees, right?
 
#53
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justingroves said:
You're a different breed of Yankee fan than most I encounter. At least you've been to the stadium and know a little bit about them.

The overwhelming majority know nothing about them, yet cheer them on.
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I understand because I see people wearing Red Sox stuff down here and I immediately think what everyone else thinks about about the Yankees.
 
#54
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Vercingetorix said:
No, of course it would be stupid not to. I'm not suggesting that the Yankees (or Red Sox) shouldn't exploit their massive financial advantage to every extent possible. You play to win the game. But you can at least understand why that makes fans of every other team in baseball hate the Yankees, right?
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I understand, but it should make fans dislike their ownership (Dodgers, Orioles, Cubs, Pirates) instead of the other teams that have the ownership who is willing to open up their wallets. I know what you're saying though.
 
#56
#56
It's not just that other teams' owners aren't willing to "open up their wallets." The Pittsburgh Pirates (and the A's, and the Twins, and the Royals, etc. etc.) simply don't have the same kind of revenue to allow them to have a payroll even half of what the Yankees spend. Even a billionaire owner willing to lose money couldn't just spend $50m extra on payroll that the revenue wouldn't support for long. There's a whole group of "big-market teams" that can all spend in the $90-$100m range, but even they have to operate under a budget that requires them to make choices -- i.e., we can't make a run at somebody like Santana if we can't figure out how to free up money somewhere else. The Yankees' revenue is so immense that they don't have to make these choices unless they feel like it. Rodriguez doesn't opt out of his contract, but still you want to sign Santana and Andruw Jones (for example) at $17m/year each? Why not?
 
#57
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UTLCA said:
I understand because I see people wearing Red Sox stuff down here and I immediately think what everyone else thinks about about the Yankees.
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That's funny. My roommate has been a Sox fan since he was about 3 years old because he liked Roger Clemens. He's still a Sox fan today.

The first baseball game I watched was a Cardinals game. I watched Willie McGee hit a game winning double and I've been a fan ever since. I've seen them play in Atlanta twice but have never had the opportunity to go to St. Louis
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's not just that other teams' owners aren't willing to "open up their wallets." The Pittsburgh Pirates (and the A's, and the Twins, and the Royals, etc. etc.) simply don't have the same kind of revenue to allow them to have a payroll even half of what the Yankees spend. Even a billionaire owner willing to lose money couldn't just spend $50m extra on payroll that the revenue wouldn't support for long. There's a whole group of "big-market teams" that can all spend in the $90-$100m range, but even they have to operate under a budget that requires them to make choices -- i.e., we can't make a run at somebody like Santana if we can't figure out how to free up money somewhere else. The Yankees' revenue is so immense that they don't have to make these choices unless they feel like it. Rodriguez doesn't opt out of his contract, but still you want to sign Santana and Andruw Jones (for example) at $17m/year each? Why not?
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Interestingly enough, the Yankees lost money last year, while the Pirates actually made over $20 million while fielding a horrendous team. My point about the Pirates is that they may not be able to open up their wallets, but they can at least use some money from revenue sharing instead of pocketing literally all of it.
 
#59
#59
Certainly the crap teams at the bottom are exploiting revenue sharing, we're in agreement with that. And believe me, I'm not saying the Yanks are doing anything WRONG; I'm just saying that this is why everybody hates them.

I do find it very, very difficult to believe that the Yankees actually lost money, except maybe in some accounting cup-shuffling way. Do you have a link to a good source for that?
 
#61
#61
Interesting stuff. Still, I can't say I believe Cashman any more than I believed the Braves management back when they claimed to be losing money a few years ago. The accountants just shift the money around from place to place so the owner can point to a paper loss.

This whole "we need a new stadium to keep us from losing money" thing is usually a bunch of crap, but in the Yankees' case, it's especially laughable. (As were the Red Sox a few years ago.)
 
#62
#62
Well actually, in the Yankees' case it has some truth to it. The stadium is in need of tremendous repair, and numerous renovation projects have been unsuccessful.

You and I both know they could charge an arm and a leg for the new luxuary boxes and there will still be a waiting line for years to come.

All the Red Sox had to do was construct some seats atop the Green Monster and sell them for $100/game, and they can rake in the cash. The Yankees new stadium will be sensational, and I can't wait to go to a game there.
 
#63
#63
When A-Rod got leveled by that catcher against the Sox I was extremely happy... Then I realized that he just got KO'd by an equally gay Varitek(or whatever). in summary the sox and yanks both like old hairy men
 
#64
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UTLCA said:
The Yankees new stadium will be sensational, and I can't wait to go to a game there.
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There's no doubt that it will be a really nice facility, and that the Yankees will be able to make even more money off it and extend their financial advantage even further. But there's a big difference between "we can make even more money in a new stadium" and "this new stadium is vital to keep us from losing money." Cashman's being as disingenuous as every pro team who cries poor to get the taxpayers to pony up for a new stadium -- or, in this case, infrastructure improvements, parking garages, etc.

I also particularly admire the way the Yankees are going to be able to apply their construction costs against their revenue-sharing payments, so that the small-market teams will in effect get to pay for a big chunk of the cost of the new stadium in New York. Very creative.
 
#65
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Vercingetorix said:
I also particularly admire the way the Yankees are going to be able to apply their construction costs against their revenue-sharing payments, so that the small-market teams will in effect get to pay for a big chunk of the cost of the new stadium in New York. Very creative.
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I'm not sure how the numbers add up, but I do know that Steinbrenner is putting up around $800 million and the taxpayers are not going to pay a cent for the stadium.
 
#66
#66
The city and/or state are supposed to build a bunch of parking garages as well as giving up some parks. The Yankees are also going to get to stop paying rent to the city, and, according to the New York Times, "Taxpayers will also bear some of the costs because the team will pay back the bonds through payments in lieu of taxes to the city."

Still, all in all it's not a bad deal for the taxpayers, at least compared to how badly the public has been screwed in a lot of places to pay for new stadia. I kind of wish they'd figured out a way to move down into Manhattan instead, though. I always thought that would have been pretty cool.
 
#67
#67
Haha yeah Manhattan would be a great place to play, but there are about 3 reasons they couldn', and I'm sure you already know. But I'll say them for argument's sake.

1. Where on Earth would they find the acreage in Manhattan? Besides Central Park...
2. The cost of land/construction would be unbelievable.
3. Ole George knows that there is still marketing potential for the moniker "Bronx Bombers".
 
#68
#68
They actually had a spot picked out at one point, I think on the West Side. They're talking about building the Jets' new stadium there now.

That would have been fantastic. Taking that freaking subway all the way up to the Bronx is a drag.
 
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