Why I laugh at Obama supporters

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TennNC said:
That's not surprising coming from a guy Al Sharpton says is "either one of the greatest social commentators of our time, or a complete ass."

I've never heard of Michael Baisden, and I can't speak for all Obama supporters, but here's why I support Obama, if you're interested:

To me, the primary job of the president is to lead. To set the tone for the country - to its citizens, to its governmental leaders, and to the world. The job is not to legislate or crunch numbers or do research to determine what policies we should put in place. It is to have the judgment and wisdom to put the right people in place to advise him/her on such matters and then make decisions that protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. CEOs don't get hired because they know their industries inside and out - they get hired because they've shown an ability to lead.

I think Obama is a natural leader.

He's not many things though.

He's not a policy wonk. He has stances on every issue just like the other candidates, but he doesn't pretend it's his way or the highway. He's open to listening to people who know a hell of a lot more than he does on each issue. Several of those stances I don't necessarily agree with, but the one I agree with and care about most is the decision to end the war in Iraq, and he's been consistent about that from day one.

He's not a political veteran. He's not as experienced as most presidential candidates, and I actually like that. He's not encumbered by the ruthlessness of Washington. For the most part (though he's cracked some on this), he doesn't resort to dirty tactics that are too commonplace these days - like spreading lies about his opponent fathering an illegitimate black baby, finding some spineless war vets to cast doubt on a purple heart recipient, using fake documents to question someone's Nat'l Guard service, or questioning whether his opponent inhaled or not (hell, he had the stones to admit he did coke, and who cares?).

He's not a hardliner. He is a guy who crosses boundaries (he's black, he's white, he's Christian, he's Ivy league, he's inner-city) to connect with all types of people.

My vision of an Obama presidency is being exhibited during this campaign. People are coming out of the woodwork to vote early, attend rallies, volunteer and donate - I bet citizens have given more in individual contributions to him than just about any other (if not any other) candidate in my lifetime.

In short, he's getting people to have faith, do more, take pride.

And to me, that inspires enough passion to get my vote.
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:hi:

I don't by into he is not a hardliner....... he is any thing but......
 
#28
#28
TennNC said:
That's not surprising coming from a guy Al Sharpton says is "either one of the greatest social commentators of our time, or a complete ass."

I've never heard of Michael Baisden, and I can't speak for all Obama supporters, but here's why I support Obama, if you're interested:
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It is a rather unbelievable talk session every day. One example was this thought put forward -

"who do you think is going to care more about keeping black people out of prison...Obama or McCain".

I paraphrase because it is from memory...but I just thought...what in the hell are you talking about?
 
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droski said:
great so a) how does he plan on getting us out of iraq? what;s his plan? b) what sort of gun control does he favor? c) what part of the patriot act doesn't he like and how would he change it? d) please explain in detail his tax policy. e) how is he going to pay for universal healthcare. etc etc etc etc. he can say whatever he likes but IMO he hasn't stood for anything but being a great BSer.
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As soon as you write a thesis on John McCain's detailed plan for each issue than we can get on that for Obama. John McCain is nothing but a "BSer" in your own words until you can provide me with his detailed plan for our future. What exactly is John McCain's plan for leaving the troops in Iraq, don't just tell me he wants to I want specific details for the next 100 years.
 
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jkell24 said:
I believe "change" is in reference to the current administration meaning he is the opposite of Bush. Why do people not know what Obama stands for?

He is against the war in Iraq
Pro-choice
Opposes the death penalty
Favors gun control
universal health care
against privatizing social security
Favors Al Gore's environmental stance
against the Patriot act
Favors churches providing welfare
Favors progressive tax
Believes in more treatment and less punishment for drug use


Well there are a few things Obama stands for if you think none of us know.

It's completely fair to say that you don't like his view on the issues but can we move past the false notion that Obama doesn't stand for anything?

And he's not a Muslim :)
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Easy there big boy. You need to tell that to your fellow Obamanites. I just stated a fact that I have run accross. I know what he stands for and dont care for a BUNCH of it.
 
#31
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jkell24 said:
As soon as you write a thesis on John McCain's detailed plan for each issue than we can get on that for Obama. John McCain is nothing but a "BSer" in your own words until you can provide me with his detailed plan for our future. What exactly is John McCain's plan for leaving the troops in Iraq, don't just tell me he wants to I want specific details for the next 100 years.
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McCain is an equal piece of trash like Hill and Barry.

:hi:
 
#33
#33
TennNC said:
That's not surprising coming from a guy Al Sharpton says is "either one of the greatest social commentators of our time, or a complete ass."

I've never heard of Michael Baisden, and I can't speak for all Obama supporters, but here's why I support Obama, if you're interested:

To me, the primary job of the president is to lead. To set the tone for the country - to its citizens, to its governmental leaders, and to the world. The job is not to legislate or crunch numbers or do research to determine what policies we should put in place. It is to have the judgment and wisdom to put the right people in place to advise him/her on such matters and then make decisions that protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. CEOs don't get hired because they know their industries inside and out - they get hired because they've shown an ability to lead.

I think Obama is a natural leader.

He's not many things though.

He's not a policy wonk. He has stances on every issue just like the other candidates, but he doesn't pretend it's his way or the highway. He's open to listening to people who know a hell of a lot more than he does on each issue. Several of those stances I don't necessarily agree with, but the one I agree with and care about most is the decision to end the war in Iraq, and he's been consistent about that from day one.

He's not a political veteran. He's not as experienced as most presidential candidates, and I actually like that. He's not encumbered by the ruthlessness of Washington. For the most part (though he's cracked some on this), he doesn't resort to dirty tactics that are too commonplace these days - like spreading lies about his opponent fathering an illegitimate black baby, finding some spineless war vets to cast doubt on a purple heart recipient, using fake documents to question someone's Nat'l Guard service, or questioning whether his opponent inhaled or not (hell, he had the stones to admit he did coke, and who cares?).

He's not a hardliner. He is a guy who crosses boundaries (he's black, he's white, he's Christian, he's Ivy league, he's inner-city) to connect with all types of people.

My vision of an Obama presidency is being exhibited during this campaign. People are coming out of the woodwork to vote early, attend rallies, volunteer and donate - I bet citizens have given more in individual contributions to him than just about any other (if not any other) candidate in my lifetime.

In short, he's getting people to have faith, do more, take pride.

And to me, that inspires enough passion to get my vote.
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Fair points. Here are some of my concerns:

1. Agree with advisers notion - who are his? Who is he lining up with? I believe the Jeremiah Wright thing is way overblown but does Obama have any history here to suggest he is aligning himself with the right people?

2. As to crossing lines - again he talks the game but is there any evidence from his State or Federal legislative experience that shows he has done this? We have that evidence for McCain. Sure he has a diverse background but his Senate record has been very one-sided.

3. I agree he is inspirational - maybe that's enough but I'd like to see better evidence on 1 and 2 above
 
#34
#34
allvol123 said:
It is a rather unbelievable talk session every day. One example was this thought put forward -

"who do you think is going to care more about keeping black people out of prison...Obama or McCain".

I paraphrase because it is from memory...but I just thought...what in the hell are you talking about?
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Well, since I've already stated I don't know this guy, this is only a guess, but if I were to put myself in the shoes of a black talk show host who's concerned about issues pertinent to black people, my guess would be that he wants to know who has the best chance of getting Congress to adopt some sort of policy that creates jobs, programs, educational opportunities that lead young black people to choose those paths over crime.

I don't know.
 
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jkell24 said:
OE, I must say you are very fair. I appreciate that.
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Thank you, for me it is simple.........

The government is not the answer....... people who are for big government I am against.........

I voted for Bush twice because I was voting against someone, I will never, ever do that again.
 
#37
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VolBeef88 said:
Easy there big boy. You need to tell that to your fellow Obamanites. I just stated a fact that I have run accross. I know what he stands for and dont care for a BUNCH of it.
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I didn't mean anything towards you. I was just saying that because many people believe that Obama can't tie his shoes without asking someone how first. Sorry if I came across wrong.
 
#40
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TennNC said:
Well, since I've already stated I don't know this guy, this is only a guess, but if I were to put myself in the shoes of a black talk show host who's concerned about issues pertinent to black people, my guess would be that he wants to know who has the best chance of getting Congress to adopt some sort of policy that creates jobs, programs, educational opportunities that lead young black people to choose those paths over crime.

I don't know.
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nah...I'd relate it more to this. He is taking advantage of black people in the same way that Sharpton and Jackson do. Instead of using his platform to educate his audience...he would rather keep his ratings high by telling them what they want to hear.
 
#43
#43
VolBeef88 said:
I agree with the field of candidates. The question will boil down for me a lesser of the 3.
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I won't ever do that again........

Problem is finding someone to vote for.....

I found a good libertarian for Gov of Ohio this last time around.
 
#45
#45
jkell24 said:
I believe "change" is in reference to the current administration meaning he is the opposite of Bush. Why do people not know what Obama stands for?

He is against the war in Iraq
Pro-choice
Opposes the death penalty
For people depending on government for everything
For people depending on government for everything
Status Quo, let social security go down the drain
Favors Al Gore's profit making stance
against the Patriot act
Favors churches providing hateful rhetoric
Wants to punish the successful
Believes in more treatment and less punishment for drug use How do we pay for that?


Well there are a few things Obama stands for if you think none of us know.

It's completely fair to say that you don't like his view on the issues but can we move past the false notion that Obama doesn't stand for anything?

And he's not a human! :)
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Fixed it!:):dance2::rock:
 
#47
#47
volinbham said:
Fair points. Here are some of my concerns:

1. Agree with advisers notion - who are his? Who is he lining up with? I believe the Jeremiah Wright thing is way overblown but does Obama have any history here to suggest he is aligning himself with the right people?

2. As to crossing lines - again he talks the game but is there any evidence from his State or Federal legislative experience that shows he has done this? We have that evidence for McCain. Sure he has a diverse background but his Senate record has been very one-sided.

3. I agree he is inspirational - maybe that's enough but I'd like to see better evidence on 1 and 2 above
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Appreciate the reply and I share those same concerns. He's a rock star, and sometimes we (even highly educated supporters) defend him on every point without accepting that he's not perfect. Understatement of the year, I know.

I'll look for more specifics as this race winds down and the big one heats up, but I will say:

1. I do know he's received a ton (not exaggerating) of endorsements from some of the most senior Democratic leadership thus far (not judging, just saying that people like Chris Dodd and John Kerry and Joe Biden are experienced guys). I'd love to see who he would choose for VP, and my guess is that a lot of his cabinet members would be experienced Washington folks who know their respective areas inside and out.

2. Good question. As a junior senator he probably doesn't get to work on the sexiest committees or most important bills, but I did pull this very quickly from his website: "His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent." Coburn's a pretty staunch libertarian, btw.

3. Me too. I hope to find out more.
 
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