Why is Antifa tolerated? Because they're left wing?

I defended Antifa when they first came around after Trump got elected. They have lost their way and message the last several months. I don't care for their tactics.

I also don't care for the alt-right, Proud Boys, extremist wing of the Republican party's tactics or ideas either.

I am of the opinion that Antifa and alt-right/Proud Boys both currently suck.

I also think that both groups should have the right to speak what ever they want as long as they don't harm anyone. That protected right goes to everyone. Including vile, despicable groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, neo-fascists, white supremacists, whatever group. Free speech means exactly that. Free speech.
Antifa didn't lose their way and message. It has always been the same. I'm sure the white supremacists way and message also never changes. They are who the score says they are.
 
I defended Antifa when they first came around after Trump got elected. They have lost their way and message the last several months. I don't care for their tactics.

I also don't care for the alt-right, Proud Boys, extremist wing of the Republican party's tactics or ideas either.

I am of the opinion that Antifa and alt-right/Proud Boys both currently suck.

I also think that both groups should have the right to speak what ever they want as long as they don't harm anyone. That protected right goes to everyone. Including vile, despicable groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, neo-fascists, white supremacists, whatever group. Free speech means exactly that. Free speech.

Bravo ... That is 100% correct . The greatest generation , I believe , would agree with you also . Your message may suck but you have every right in this country to stand up and speak it ... Peacefully . That in my opinion is always worth more than hurt feelings .
 
Agreed but the issue here is politicians are allowing this rogue activity to manifest vigilantes because ANTIFA are assaulting people because they outnumber them. Clearly many of these people need a real job.
Difficult to say exactly what’s happening in Portland and elsewhere because every article I’ve seen picks sides. The NYT article posted earlier is a good example. Whether it was because of the jury verdict or otherwise it was much less unfavorable to Antifa.

However, from what I can piece together, I think in your haste to blame Antifa, you’re being unfair to law enforcement and the administration. At least in Portland, they seem to be doing their level best to maintain the peace.

Sadly, neither of these groups seems capable of substantive debate so they resort to shouting each other down and acts of violence, and that leaves any city in which they show up in an unenviable position. The city can’t just arrest people for shouting, they can’t be everywhere at once to see the assaults, and they can’t spare the manpower to arrest everyone blocking streets and still expect to avoid a melee.

They allowed several right wing groups to march last weekend, kept them separate from Antifa, allowed them to block a street, and make use of a public park for an event, all of those things normally require a permit, which was apparently never obtained.

I’ve read that the PD there arrested a woman off of a motorcycle, who was revving the engine to drown out one of the alt-right speakers, and made at least 16 other arrests. They don’t seem to be picking sides, as you suggest.

All this when the proud boys or whatever have come from out of town with the stated intent of causing exactly what happened. There’s fault on both sides for what keeps happening in Portland. That’s simply an objective fact. It results from an inability to have a civil debate, which is a societal problem, not a partisan one.
 
I also think that both groups should have the right to speak what ever they want as long as they don't harm anyone.

There’s a saying in criminal defense: “he had the right to remain silent, but he didn’t have the ability.”

Trying to be more succinct than my last post: these groups are too stupid to articulate any meaningful, persuasive message. So they just fight each other.
 
Bahaha...stress..lol..things that are asinine never cause me stress.

Wonder if their parents know and approve. It'll be sad for a momma to find out with a phone call from jail.

I'm not looking to cause anyone permanent physical damage so why would I confront them? They'd also come out on the wrong end of attempting to cause me physical injury.
If you put as much effort into demonizing the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazi's, and White supremacist, you wouldn't come across as one.
 
Just let it be known that you hate antifa. I hate the white supremacist proud boy racist that actually kill people, commit mass shootings, and terrorism in general. And you hate the people against that.
I dislike any group, or individual, that terrorizes anybody. The difference between you and I is I can call both sides out for their violence. You not only ignore antifa hurting innocent people, you're basically support it in your comments.
 
At the end of the day we all in American Society need to come together and agree that hatred in all forms is unacceptable. What we have unfortunately is two sides that would agree that they are against hate, racism, etc. but will sell out on their principles when said hatred/racism is on their side. You have to take the blinders off from whatever side you are on look outside yourself and see things for what they are.

If you don’t like racism don’t continually bring race up into conversations. Don’t label those you don’t like as racists while allowing those you do like to make racist remarks.

If you don’t like bigots don’t be a bigot yourself and don’t turn a blind eye to obvious bigotry just because they are on your side of the political line.

Fighting Fire with Fire doesn’t work just like fighting racism with racism and bigotry with bigotry doesn’t work. In the end it will make you look like someone who truly doesn’t have any values.
 
If you put as much effort into demonizing the Proud Boys, Neo-Nazi's, and White supremacist, you wouldn't come across as one.

I've always condemned the actual white supremacist groups as I've stated before in many posts. I have and always will call idiots anyone that promotes a white only master race.

As soon as the PB or PP do something requiring condemnation I'll be right here to say something as I have been before.

The violence in Portland last Saturday was all antifa initiated.
The threatened violence towards an upcoming event in Philly is all antifa because they want to shut down free speech.

It's interesting to note that history shows us the major proponents of shutting down the free speech of the people are actually Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin and Castro.
 
Aren't neo-Nazi/white nationalists already considered terrorist groups? I thought they were. So why so opposed to the labelling of Antifa as one? Hard for me to believe that you support their violent tactics, so why the opposition?

You do know that if X is a greater problem than Y, it doesn't entail that Y is not a problem. Do you get that distinction?
 
You do know that if X is a greater problem than Y, it doesn't entail that Y is not a problem. Do you get that distinction?
So your argument is that Antifa is not as bad? Sounds like a weak argument. Both sides are wrong to use or promote violence.
 
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I've always condemned the actual white supremacist groups as I've stated before in many posts. I have and always will call idiots anyone that promotes a white only master race.

As soon as the PB or PP do something requiring condemnation I'll be right here to say something as I have been before.

The violence in Portland last Saturday was all antifa initiated.
The threatened violence towards an upcoming event in Philly is all antifa because they want to shut down free speech.

It's interesting to note that history shows us the major proponents of shutting down the free speech of the people are actually Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin and Castro.
Tally up the deaths committed by people that identify with either ideology, and tell us which is worse. Then tally up the mass shootings. Then tally up the arrests for terrorist plots. I find your outrage against antifa disproportional.
 
So your argument is that Antifa is not as bad? Sounds like a weak argument. Both sides are wrong to use or promote violence.

I know, being Captain Moral Equivalency and all, it's hard for you to fathom that there are degrees of badness. But there are. For example, there are degrees of theft. One and the same act (taking property that's not yours), but the law (and morality) treats them differently based on the severity of the theft.
 
I know, being Captain Moral Equivalency and all, it's hard for you to fathom that there are degrees of badness. But there are. For example, there are degrees of theft. One and the same act (taking property that's not yours), but the law (and morality) treats them differently based on the severity of the theft.

If Antifa is morally superior and feel themselves to be so, why mask themselves to hide their identity? Seems a little cowardly to remain hidden. Maybe like the old Klan? What are they afraid of? Why do you defend them?
 
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If Antifa is morally superior and feel themselves to be so, why mask themselves to hide their identity? Seems a little cowardly to remain hidden. Maybe like the old Klan? What are they afraid of? Why do you defend them?
Because she imagines herself as an Antifa warrior, but she's too fat to run conservatives down to beat on them, so she does it verbally on VN..
 

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