Why Red Shirt????

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vol'96

vol'96

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With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

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Because we probably won't sign a qb in this class, which would in effect leave a two year gap between ferguson and dobbs and a 15 qb, which is not what you want. And, at the moment, neither one of them are truly game-ready yet.
 
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vol'96 said:
With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

Just Sayin'
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Neither of these are can't miss, elite prospects and will probably not be as good as what we have. I said at the beginning of the season if we see either it will be a bad year. There is still a lot to play for with these seniors.
 
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vol'96 said:
With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

Just Sayin'
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Butch realizes this team and the players Dooley coached only know how to lose. Why put the quarterbacks out there this year and teach the same thing?

Throwing a fresh out there is not the answer. Putting a freshman out there is only going to hurt their confidence for the future. If you put them out there this year they'll lose hope for the future. Take your lumps this year with Worley, compete as best you can, come back next year, and learn to win.
 
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LandonVFL said:
Butch realizes this team and the players Dooley coached only know how to lose. Why put the quarterbacks out there this year and teach the same thing?

Throwing a fresh out there is not the answer. Putting a freshman out there is only going to hurt their confidence for the future. If you put them out there this year they'll lose hope for the future. Take your lumps this year with Worley, compete as best you can, come back next year, and learn to win.
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With a Military background I would think a divide and conquer approach could work to increase offense production. Plus increase diversity of play calling in small packages that the freshman should be able to handle at this point.

Sam Pittman rocked out two freshmen on Arkansas O-line with success against T A&M. Ballers can ball. Somehow Peyton recovered from his poor Freshman performances.

Just sayin'
 
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vol'96 said:
With a Military background I would think a divide and conquer approach could work to increase offense production. Plus increase diversity of play calling in small packages that the freshman should be able to handle at this point.

Sam Pittman rocked out two freshmen on Arkansas O-line with success against T A&M. Ballers can ball. Somehow Peyton recovered from his poor Freshman performances.

Just sayin'
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We've got at least 3 true freshmen playing right now, Sutton, North, and now Vereen. So Butch appears to have no problem playing true freshmen. If they are ready. So obviously he thinks the 2 true freshmen QBs are not.
 
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I don't blame Butch I wouldn't throw these young guys out there right now especially the way were playing. They need to take there time and get bigger and stronger it will all pay off in a couple of yrs hopefully
 
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jimallvol said:
I don't blame Butch I wouldn't throw these young guys out there right now especially the way were playing. They need to take there time and get bigger and stronger it will all pay off in a couple of yrs hopefully
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Agreed! Time will tell. And only time will tell. Meaning we have to trust the coaches and see where we end up in three years. Heck we gave that to Fooley. CBJ deserves that at the very least.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
We've got at least 3 true freshmen playing right now, Sutton, North, and now Vereen. So Butch appears to have no problem playing true freshmen. If they are ready. So obviously he thinks the 2 true freshmen QBs are not.
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I would love to see JRM in the secondary. He is playing his butt off on special teams.
 
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jkleno said:
I would love to see JRM in the secondary. He is playing his butt off on special teams.
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I believe they've moved him to linebacker for good but I do agree he is killing it on special teams. Looks like a bright spot for the future as an OLB with his speed.
 
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vol'96 said:
With a Military background I would think a divide and conquer approach could work to increase offense production. Plus increase diversity of play calling in small packages that the freshman should be able to handle at this point.

Sam Pittman rocked out two freshmen on Arkansas O-line with success against T A&M. Ballers can ball. Somehow Peyton recovered from his poor Freshman performances.

Just sayin'
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I see what you're saying I just hate to see the same thing that happened to peterman happen to the freshman. If the freshman are potentially really talented I think taking time to develop the freshman is the right thing to do. Yes, the offense is abysmal at this point but there is no way that the freshman can run the offense better than Worley at this point. (Remember, the freshman weren't here in the spring) I just don't think they have had enough time yet to properly grasp the offense and execute it in the SEC.

Point is, I'd much rather have a quarterback next year with no experience, all the confidence in the world, and a full grasp of offense than a player with some experience, battered confidence, and a full grasp of the O. Confidence is key in any sport.
 
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Why risk having a freshman QB come in the game and potentially being worse than Peterman? You waste that QB's redshirt and you still don't accomplish anything.

Just give it time. Butch is doing it the right way seeing that we don't have much of a chance of winning any of our next 3 games.

I think we redshirt them and see who performs best in the Spring game. Patience will allow us to compete years from now.
 
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You redshirt freshman because this team isn't going to win much of anything this year. You play the older guys and hope you can make it through, possibly steal a game against, I'll say it, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, or Auburn, get to a bowl game and get the practices that go with it. Yeah, trot out the freshman to play Oregon, UF on the road, get blasted by UGA, way to think it through. The fewer freshman you play, i.e. redshirt, the more talent-rich your young guys get. Big difference between elite athletes at 18 and 22. Most 18-year-olds when they get to college have never been in a real weight room, don't know how to eat, are immature, and have kicked butt in high school without perfecting things because they're, generally, just too talented for it to matter. And in regard to the QB, it's been said before, but you want these guys to compete and get better. Neither one is a sure-thing, especially without putting on weight and aggressively learning the play-book. Play one and you might as well forget about the other guy buying in prior to transferring.

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LandonVFL said:
I see what you're saying I just hate to see the same thing that happened to peterman happen to the freshman. If the freshman are potentially really talented I think taking time to develop the freshman is the right thing to do. Yes, the offense is abysmal at this point but there is no way that the freshman can run the offense better than Worley at this point. (Remember, the freshman weren't here in the spring) I just don't think they have had enough time yet to properly grasp the offense and execute it in the SEC.

Point is, I'd much rather have a quarterback next year with no experience, all the confidence in the world, and a full grasp of offense than a player with some experience, battered confidence, and a full grasp of the O. Confidence is key in any sport.
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Not saying freshman qb's run full package/offense. Similar to a wildcat package. Give both 5-10 different plays to include reads and check offs. (Baby steps)

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These small doses of playing should build experience and limit the crushing failures. The freshman are two young to know any better as long as you limit their responsibilities with a small package.

IMO only way to keep both long term is to play both this year. Both have talent and should be able to master 5-10 plays.
 
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vol'96 said:
Not saying freshman qb's run full package/offense. Similar to a wildcat package. Give both 5-10 different plays to include reads and check offs. (Baby steps)

Benefits-

These small doses of playing should build experience and limit the crushing failures. The freshman are two young to know any better as long as you limit their responsibilities with a small package.

IMO only way to keep both long term is to play both this year. Both have talent and should be able to master 5-10 plays.
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I like having discussions like this so what makes you think playing the freshman for 5-10 plays is going to accomplish much? (Once again I'm not attacking you I just wanna discuss opposing views) To me, if you bring in the freshmen and they're only ready for a small portion of the playbook then it makes the offense too predictable for the freshman to be able to do much. I think that could be a recipe for disaster (peterman)

I'd much rather see the freshmen be able to come in for mop up duty and still run the offense and still throw some. Problem is we don't have any games left where we'll have mop up duty haha.
 
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LandonVFL said:
I like having discussions like this so what makes you think playing the freshman for 5-10 plays is going to accomplish much? (Once again I'm not attacking you I just wanna discuss opposing views) To me, if you bring in the freshmen and they're only ready for a small portion of the playbook then it makes the offense too predictable for the freshman to be able to do much. I think that could be a recipe for disaster (peterman)

I'd much rather see the freshmen be able to come in for mop up duty and still run the offense and still throw some. Problem is we don't have any games left where we'll have mop up duty haha.
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Not saying they start. Just an added wrinkle that should be explored. Butch actually did this at Cincy. Granted it's not the same, but don't want to admit defeat when an option might be available to give a competitive advantage.

Plus I think if Worley stalls 2 or more series it isn't a bad option. God forbid one came in and got hot...

Nothing ventured nothing gained. Just trying to think of best ventures for a position of need. Not going to complain, just going to pitch viable options for the future that allows us best opportunity to win now.
 
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