Why Red Shirt????

[LandonVFL]

Not saying they start. Just an added wrinkle that should be explored. Butch actually did this at Cincy. Granted it's not the same, but don't want to admit defeat when an option might be available to give a competitive advantage.

Plus I think if Worley stalls 2 or more series it isn't a bad option. God forbid one came in and got hot...

Nothing ventured nothing gained. Just trying to think of best ventures for a position of need. Not going to complain, just going to pitch viable options for the future that allows us best opportunity to win now.

Makes sense. Personally id love to see Worley take control and compete so we don't have to play a fresh. But hey, who knows? We will see haha

 

[volmanbill]

You redshirt freshman because this team isn't going to win much of anything this year. You play the older guys and hope you can make it through, possibly steal a game against, I'll say it, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, or Auburn, get to a bowl game and get the practices that go with it. Yeah, trot out the freshman to play Oregon, UF on the road, get blasted by UGA, way to think it through. The fewer freshman you play, i.e. redshirt, the more talent-rich your young guys get. Big difference between elite athletes at 18 and 22. Most 18-year-olds when they get to college have never been in a real weight room, don't know how to eat, are immature, and have kicked butt in high school without perfecting things because they're, generally, just too talented for it to matter. And in regard to the QB, it's been said before, but you want these guys to compete and get better. Neither one is a sure-thing, especially without putting on weight and aggressively learning the play-book. Play one and you might as well forget about the other guy buying in prior to transferring.

First post here, like the forum.

Welcome aboard. Post often.

In addition to your points, we aren't recruiting a QB in this class. Better have something waiting in the wings.

 

[butchna]

With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

Just Sayin'

You put both on the field...one shines...the other transfers...along with Worley and Peterman...from FOUR to ONE!.....Soooo we're forced to offer TWO QBs...taking spots from defensive linemen...CAUSING LEBANONVOL TO TAKE HOSTAGES!!! resulting in lack of depth next season...warranting another thread from YOU...criticizing Butch's handling of the situation..WOOH FUN! :clapping:epper:epper::yu::superman::tease2::tease2::rofl::rofl::elephant::elephant::elephant::number1::weird::3cheers::groupwave::girl1::fireworks::fireworks::drive2:

justsayin

 

[photovol]

No sense getting these 18yr old frosh QB's killed, like Butch said he has a responsibility to their parents. Fans would just as soon sacrifice them because their tired of grasping at straws and being embarrassed. That's the reason we have a coach that tries to do whats best for the players as well as the team.

 

[vol'96]

You redshirt freshman because this team isn't going to win much of anything this year. You play the older guys and hope you can make it through, possibly steal a game against, I'll say it, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, or Auburn, get to a bowl game and get the practices that go with it. Yeah, trot out the freshman to play Oregon, UF on the road, get blasted by UGA, way to think it through. The fewer freshman you play, i.e. redshirt, the more talent-rich your young guys get. Big difference between elite athletes at 18 and 22. Most 18-year-olds when they get to college have never been in a real weight room, don't know how to eat, are immature, and have kicked butt in high school without perfecting things because they're, generally, just too talented for it to matter. And in regard to the QB, it's been said before, but you want these guys to compete and get better. Neither one is a sure-thing, especially without putting on weight and aggressively learning the play-book. Play one and you might as well forget about the other guy buying in prior to transferring.

First post here, like the forum.

Welcome.

Playing both in very small doses, When offense under Worley stalls. Gives Worley a chance to regroup. Gives us best chance of keeping both freshman QBs next year which is what we want.

 

[phowell23]

Welcome aboard. Post often.

In addition to your points, we aren't recruiting a QB in this class. Better have something waiting in the wings.

This also has me wondering. However, we have 4 QB's on roster (all returning next year and 3 with a lot of eligibility left) so it would be hard to bring in someone. Then again, if there is a dual threat QB who decides to transfer and inquires about UT this year, watch out. :salute:

 

[vol'96]

You put both on the field...one shines...the other transfers...along with Worley and Peterman...from FOUR to ONE!.....Soooo we're forced to offer TWO QBs...taking spots from defensive linemen...CAUSING LEBANONVOL TO TAKE HOSTAGES!!! resulting in lack of depth next season...warranting another thread from YOU...criticizing Butch's handling of the situation..WOOH FUN! :clapping:epper:epper::yu::superman::tease2::tease2::rofl::rofl::elephant::elephant::elephant::number1::weird::3cheers::groupwave::girl1::fireworks::fireworks::drive2:

justsayin

Dude you are funny.

Won't criticize Butch for putting best talent on the field and being creative in doing so. Just
think it might be time to throw some wrinkles and build experience at same time.

Now step away form the emoticons, they are habit forming. Just sayin'

 

[MOOOOONEY]

With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

Just Sayin'

I have never heard CBJ say he was going to or wanted to RS them, could be they are not ready to play.

 

[volroadwarrior]

With all the youth at skill positions why Redshirt Ferguson or Dobbs. Play both, chances are the QB of the future is not even on the roster. Also one is likely to leave if not played when they feel they can lead as well as Worley or Peterman.

Why not give each freshman QB along with supporting skill players 5 to 10 plays to master as a unit. The line is skilled enough to handle. Would be like throwing a knuckle baller one series and screw baller the next. Also Pepper in Worley to regroup the Freshman when needed.


Time to get a little unconventional and unpredictable.

Just Sayin'

Butch doesn't play them because he knows he has to win ballgames and he doesn't believe the Freshmen are ready to do that. All we fans know about these guys is the hype from other fans and the media, fans who are frustrated with the losses and don't have the football knowledge to blame it on anyone but the QB and coaches, and the bandwagon jumpers.

Butch sees them in practice, in the meeting rooms and on the sidelines everyday so I will go with his judgment over the latest hype from the peanut gallery.

One or both may be great QBs some day---maybe later this year, but coach doesn't believe he can win with them now. And he will lose his job quicker with a loss to a South Alabama than he will to not let the fans take a look at his new toys.

 

[vol'96]

Butch doesn't play them because he knows he has to win ballgames and he doesn't believe the Freshmen are ready to do that. All we fans know about these guys is the hype from other fans and the media, fans who are frustrated with the losses and don't have the football knowledge to blame it on anyone but the QB and coaches, and the bandwagon jumpers.



Butch sees them in practice, in the meeting rooms and on the sidelines everyday so I will go with his judgment over the latest hype from the peanut gallery.

One or both may be great QBs some day---maybe later this year, but coach doesn't believe he can win with them now. And he will lose his job quicker with a loss to a South Alabama than he will to not let the fans take a look at his new toys.

Just suggesting he play both in small doses. Let them master 5-10 plays and rotate in game as change of pace.

Accomplishes several thing- develops depth and offers a wrinkle that opposing defenses will not be prepared for or will have to prepare for the next week.

 

[butchna]

Dude you are funny.

Won't criticize Butch for putting best talent on the field and being creative in doing so. Just
think it might be time to throw some wrinkles and build experience at same time.

Now step away form the emoticons, they are habit forming. Just sayin'

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[calban]

Worley is 7 starts into his career at TN. Coaches are tailoring the offense to fit his capabilities.
Worley will finish the gauntlet.
Then we'll see about red shirts.

 

[YorkVol]

You redshirt freshman because this team isn't going to win much of anything this year. You play the older guys and hope you can make it through, possibly steal a game against, I'll say it, Vanderbilt, Mizzou, or Auburn, get to a bowl game and get the practices that go with it. Yeah, trot out the freshman to play Oregon, UF on the road, get blasted by UGA, way to think it through. The fewer freshman you play, i.e. redshirt, the more talent-rich your young guys get. Big difference between elite athletes at 18 and 22. Most 18-year-olds when they get to college have never been in a real weight room, don't know how to eat, are immature, and have kicked butt in high school without perfecting things because they're, generally, just too talented for it to matter. And in regard to the QB, it's been said before, but you want these guys to compete and get better. Neither one is a sure-thing, especially without putting on weight and aggressively learning the play-book. Play one and you might as well forget about the other guy buying in prior to transferring.

First post here, like the forum.

Keep it up, welcome onboard.

 

[VaVol4life]

I don't blame Butch I wouldn't throw these young guys out there right now especially the way were playing. They need to take there time and get bigger and stronger it will all pay off in a couple of yrs hopefully

Leaving room for the old "They havent seen the field for 2 years rebuttal" when they are Jr's and are struggling to grasp the game speed and flow of the offense. Side note: See the Worley experiment. No genuine field time for 2 years and coming out of HS he was a stud. He has struggled to perform and his lack of experience is glaringly obvious this season.

So now having these players wait isn't the answer.

Players are players. Dobbs was the most anticipated QB recruit we have had in the past few years. So by VN logic he shouldn't be playing? Ferguson can play football or we wouldn't have brought him here. Granted depending on what happens in the near future one of these two will transfer. There isn't room in the kitchen for two Chef's.

 

[tomq_123]

Just suggesting he play both in small doses. Let them master 5-10 plays and rotate in game as change of pace.

Accomplishes several thing- develops depth and offers a wrinkle that opposing defenses will not be prepared for or will have to prepare for the next week.

It's probably not as much them not knowing the plays as it is them recognizing the opposing defense and making adjustments. Plus opposing defenses can make shifts and hide coverages that will really confuse most inexperienced QB's. This was one of Peterman's biggest issues and something that Worley seems to be better at (although not great). Knowing the offense is only a small part of what the QB needs to know to be successful.