Why so bad in baseball so long?

[fryeguy93]

1. They would have to move the draft.
2. They would move the draft.
3. Summer leagues would disappear. Sad face? Who cares?
4. Kids go to summer school all the time. (Someone can correct me here) I don't think that costs the school any significant money. Non scholly-guys would be screwed in that scenario(I think). A radical solution would be to give baseball the fall off. Maybe let the "Summer leagues" become "fall leagues". Obviously that wouldn't go over well at football schools, but it is an idea, I suppose.
5. Although I agree - I don't care that the B1G sucks in baseball - I do appreciate the fact that the current schedule is completely unfair to all the northern schools. Southern schools would still have an advantage, as I assume you would emulate the MLB schedule. Its still cold in Michigan in April. Practicing before then would be significantly more difficult up there than in the south. Moving the schedule wouldn't eliminate the disadvantage, but it would at least acknowledge that those schools exist. I also think it would increase national attendance on a massive scale, and likely put a lot more schools in that revenue production column.

NCAA has zero control over the amateur Draft. And MLB would never move the Draft enough to make significant summer play possible. They need the high school guys in camp and rookie league ASAP.

MLB will not even allow guys to go to Olympics, they're certainly not giving flexibility to college.

Then you would have college guys leaving their teams in the middle of the season to protect their money and health.

Far fewer players would even go to college to avoid the conflict and college baseball would die.

There's more problems with changing the schedule than leaving as is.

Having a few months without inter collegiate sports is actually a positive. Leave the summer alone

 

[BigOrange51]

NCAA has zero control over the amateur Draft. And MLB would never move the Draft enough to make significant summer play possible. They need the high school guys in camp and rookie league ASAP.

MLB will not even allow guys to go to Olympics, they're certainly not giving flexibility to college.

Then you would have college guys leaving their teams in the middle of the season to protect their money and health.

Far fewer players would even go to college to avoid the conflict and college baseball would die.

There's more problems with changing the schedule than leaving as is.

Having a few months without inter collegiate sports is actually a positive. Leave the summer alone

Aaron Fitt just released an article this week about this exact subject. It is a very broad discussion of the idea and its costs and benefits. I'll throw up some tidbits.

"[Randy] Mazey, the second-year head coach at West Virginia, believes college baseball needs to shift its season into the summer, with play beginning in mid-April and ending in mid-August... he conducted a detailed study of the disadvantages faced by Northern teams and the costs, challenges and benefits associated with a potential switch to summer play... he recently sent his report to every Division I coach, and he got a lot more positive feedback."

"We’ve got a good team this year, but the first time we took a ground ball was 30 minutes before our first game"-Mazey

"Michigan State averaged 793 fans per home game in 2009, but the low Class A Lansing Lugnuts averaged 5,000 fans per game. Minnesota averaged 350 fans that year, but the independent St. Paul Saints averaged 5,813."

"Mazey’s old boss at TCU, Jim Schlossnagle, is an outspoken advocate of a shift to summer play... [referencing the] independent Fort Worth Cats, who outdraw the Horned Frogs by a wide margin."

"Major League Baseball would have to adjust, probably by moving its draft back to August, which would affect rosters in short-season professional leagues. Student attendance at games would drop, but the increase in attendance from the general population would more than compensate for it."

" "It is telling that one coach of a Southern power (where baseball is a revenue sport) requested anonymity before speaking in favor of Mazey’s plan.
“I think it’s the only thing that can save college baseball,” the coach said. "

 

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Aaron Fitt just released an article this week about this exact subject. It is a very broad discussion of the idea and its costs and benefits. I'll throw up some tidbits.

"[Randy] Mazey, the second-year head coach at West Virginia, believes college baseball needs to shift its season into the summer, with play beginning in mid-April and ending in mid-August... he conducted a detailed study of the disadvantages faced by Northern teams and the costs, challenges and benefits associated with a potential switch to summer play... he recently sent his report to every Division I coach, and he got a lot more positive feedback."

"We’ve got a good team this year, but the first time we took a ground ball was 30 minutes before our first game"-Mazey

"Michigan State averaged 793 fans per home game in 2009, but the low Class A Lansing Lugnuts averaged 5,000 fans per game. Minnesota averaged 350 fans that year, but the independent St. Paul Saints averaged 5,813."

"Mazey’s old boss at TCU, Jim Schlossnagle, is an outspoken advocate of a shift to summer play... [referencing the] independent Fort Worth Cats, who outdraw the Horned Frogs by a wide margin."

"Major League Baseball would have to adjust, probably by moving its draft back to August, which would affect rosters in short-season professional leagues. Student attendance at games would drop, but the increase in attendance from the general population would more than compensate for it."

" "It is telling that one coach of a Southern power (where baseball is a revenue sport) requested anonymity before speaking in favor of Mazey’s plan.
“I think it’s the only thing that can save college baseball,” the coach said. "

I read that a while back. I've become a fan of collegiate summer ball and his plan would kill it. He made some statement about the fans not knowing jack crap about the players...I assure you the fans of the Cape Cod League teams don't want it watered down to Div. II talent. Other than that...

 

[fryeguy93]

Aaron Fitt just released an article this week about this exact subject. It is a very broad discussion of the idea and its costs and benefits. I'll throw up some tidbits.

"[Randy] Mazey, the second-year head coach at West Virginia, believes college baseball needs to shift its season into the summer, with play beginning in mid-April and ending in mid-August... he conducted a detailed study of the disadvantages faced by Northern teams and the costs, challenges and benefits associated with a potential switch to summer play... he recently sent his report to every Division I coach, and he got a lot more positive feedback."

"We’ve got a good team this year, but the first time we took a ground ball was 30 minutes before our first game"-Mazey

"Michigan State averaged 793 fans per home game in 2009, but the low Class A Lansing Lugnuts averaged 5,000 fans per game. Minnesota averaged 350 fans that year, but the independent St. Paul Saints averaged 5,813."

"Mazey’s old boss at TCU, Jim Schlossnagle, is an outspoken advocate of a shift to summer play... [referencing the] independent Fort Worth Cats, who outdraw the Horned Frogs by a wide margin."

"Major League Baseball would have to adjust, probably by moving its draft back to August, which would affect rosters in short-season professional leagues. Student attendance at games would drop, but the increase in attendance from the general population would more than compensate for it."

" "It is telling that one coach of a Southern power (where baseball is a revenue sport) requested anonymity before speaking in favor of Mazey’s plan.
“I think it’s the only thing that can save college baseball,” the coach said. "

Randy Mazey always had troubles keeping his sport and hunting seasons straight. :whistling:

 

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Randy Mazey always had troubles keeping his sport and hunting seasons straight. :whistling:

Have you read it? He brings up some very good points regarding the athletes and missed classes...that was the strongest part of the argument, compelling even imo. I realize he's got his motives, but that part seemed on the up and up.

 

[VolBraniac]

I think one of the reasons for apathy is the oddball schedule college baseball is stuck with. Its hard to get interested when snow is on the ground. About the time most people get interested in baseball, the season ends. In the old days, when for the most part a college year began in the fall and ended in the spring, it was logical. That's no longer true and the main driver of fan interest, television, doesn't take the summer off. I think its time the college baseball season was adjusted to reality. The CWS could make a nice tapering off of summer just before the football season started.

Agree w/ everything but it ain't happening. :cray: